CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 NI can't afford him and he has more chance of getting to an international tournament with the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 He does also have the Irish Catholic/Celtic connection as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 International Football will suit him well. Can't waste loads of money and doesn't really have enough time with the squad to be that tactically demanding. He will give the team a lift and they will play for him. I think an international manager needs more than that. I mean, Hodgson gets his players playing for him but he's been far from convincing as England manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Shock horror. I think he will get the Republic to more tournaments but when they get to them tournaments O Neill would be shown up for the extremely average manager he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islingtonclaret Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Wouldn't he rather manage Northern Ireland or is he Catholic or something? Not to put too finer point on, but that doesn't show your grasp of politics on the Emerald Isle to be too great, considering that there are lots of Catholics in Northern Ireland as well- that's the point! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 1, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 1, 2013 International Football will suit him well. Can't waste loads of money and doesn't really have enough time with the squad to be that tactically demanding. He will give the team a lift and they will play for him. I think an international manager needs more than that. I mean, Hodgson gets his players playing for him but he's been far from convincing as England manager. Yeah but we don't really have the players to do much more than what we are doing anyway imo. You won't get an international manager managing England and changing the way kids learn football at grassroots level. That's the problem that needs addressing in regards to English players and the FA have to do it, the current crop of players are performing to the best of their ability imo. If you think a manager will just walk into the English side and change the mentallity, getting them to play pass and move technical football then you're gunna be disappointed. The players weren't brought up that way and will never play that way. It's the same with ROI, they're never going to win anything really, they just hope to go on a good run at some point, having a man-manager is the best thing for that imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I think ROI have the type of players MON could work well with: a lot of grafters and the odd gem e.g. James McCarthy. No Heskey substitute up front, though. He's buggered without a target man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Wouldn't he rather manage Northern Ireland or is he Catholic or something? Not to put too finer point on, but that doesn't show your grasp of politics on the Emerald Isle to be too great, considering that there are lots of Catholics in Northern Ireland as well- that's the point! Yeah but don't they normally switch to the Republic of Ireland anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Shock horror. I think he will get the Republic to more tournaments but when they get to them tournaments O Neill would be shown up for the extremely average manager he is. Maybe the first point is true, I'm not convinced but time will tell. 100% agree on the second point but **** him, he's a word removed. As a club we are still paying a heavy price for his trophy-less tenure and his hugely expensive short term planning so I have nothing but antipathy for him. Sorry ROI lads, wish you had gone for someone else as I have relatively warm feelings to the ROI team. Relative to, say Scotland, for example! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 1, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 1, 2013 Yeah but don't they normally switch to the Republic of Ireland anyway? No, I'm afraid to say that's also far too simplistic a view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 1, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 1, 2013 Shock horror. I think he will get the Republic to more tournaments but when they get to them tournaments O Neill would be shown up for the extremely average manager he is.Maybe the first point is true, I'm not convinced but time will tell. 100% agree on the second point but **** him, he's a word removed. As a club we are still paying a heavy price for his trophy-less tenure and his hugely expensive short term planning so I have nothing but antipathy for him. Sorry ROI lads, wish you had gone for someone else as I have relatively warm feelings to the ROI team. Relative to, say Scotland, for example!With the Euros about to go to 24 teams I'd say his job in that regard has just become a whole lot easier. No doubt if we qualify, history (and his BBC friends) will gloss over the increased tournament size and focus on him being some kind of a miracle worker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) International management is what MON was born to do. Give him a reasonable standard of player and he'll convince them they're world beaters and they will massively over achieve. Over a a month long tournament he won't have to manage fatige and he doens't have to worry about buying players which removes two of his worse flaws in a single stroke. Yes he's a notorious word removed but Id have him managing England over Woy anyday of the week. Edited November 1, 2013 by Eames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 Wouldn't he rather manage Northern Ireland or is he Catholic or something? No chance to qualify for anything w/ NI, the man has a monstrous ego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I think ROI have the type of players MON could work well with: a lot of grafters and the odd gem e.g. James McCarthy. No Heskey substitute up front, though. He's buggered without a target man. Conor Sammon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Just hope for the Irish fans' sake that he picks up enough wins in October qualifiers, they'll be **** in the March ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Will be interesting to see how he works with Roy Keane. Half time team talks could be explosive! Edited November 7, 2013 by briny_ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Will be interesting to see how he works with Roy Keane. Half time team talks could be explosive! Yes its difficult to say. You're only as good as the players you have. Jack Charlton was blessed with some quality players and got the best out of them. I don't dislike Oneill. I think he's a good motivator. Some of his signings were very good some were very bad. There was little inbetween. He was right about Ireland and didnt't want bent when he had the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Interesting comments from Ireland yesterday regarding the past at Villa Yes, Martin O'Neill signed me for Villa," said Ireland, "but that was at five and he had resigned by 12 so he did actually sign Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 7, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 7, 2013 so he did actually sign IrelandThe timeline makes this one less than straight forward. I've no doubts that MON agreed to Ireland + cash for Milner. But then MON left while the deal was held up on the Citeh side because of the payoff Ireland was demanding for taking the drop in wages. At that point, sans manager, Villa probably should have called a halt to the deal or at the very least called a halt to the Ireland exchange part of it and demanded all-cash for Milner. Now it's possible (nay likely) that we couldn't do that without paying a penalty but either way we effectively ended up signing a player without having a manager in place. Even though we probably had our hands tied to an extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Interesting comments from Ireland yesterday regarding the past at Villa Yes, Martin O'Neill signed me for Villa," said Ireland, "but that was at five and he had resigned by 12 so he did actually sign Ireland Ahem... 9 August 2010: Martin O'Neill leaves Aston Villa http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/7935179/Martin-ONeill-resigns-as-Aston-Villa-manager.html 18 August 2010: Stephen Ireland signs for Aston Villa http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2126892,00.html So he actually didn't sign Ireland, unless he did it freelance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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