legov Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I will read through all that later but no I do not consider myself homophobic. I think you have to consider that even Catholics move with the times and don't stick with outdated doctrines. Moral standards have dropped though and has that not coincided with families not been brought up with religion as part of their lives? BOF's point was that according to the Bible (and the Quran, etc) and Catholic doctrine a believer is supposed to have a moral code that would be considered wholly immoral by modern standards, at least in Europe. While you and many Catholics have moved with the times and left behind outdated doctrines, the Catholic Church hasn't, and the text contained in the Bible certainly will not change because times have changed. Point being, morality is independent of religion - you are not homophobic or sexist because you grew up in Europe in the late 20th century, not because of Catholic doctrine or the Bible, which were both written more than a thousand years ago and were products of very different times. As for your assertion that moral standards have dropped.....read your Bible again, especially (but not just) the Old Testament. We are a far, far, far more moral society than the ancient Near East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 OK, all over to the religion thread, those that want to carry on with this. Paul seems more reasonable imo than some of those we've seen on the VT religious discussion scene over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 9, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2013 OK, all over to the religion thread, those that want to carry on with this.I agree. Soz ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Ok fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) The bible also contradicts itself numerous times so to use that as any point of reference (from either side of the argument) is silly. EDIT: Didn't see the memo. Last post about it here. Edited May 9, 2013 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blunther Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Paedo's eh? Bloody hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 9, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2013 Bloody hell.Isn't that the before and the after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22459815 so, this Barrister, Barbara Hewson, has suggested one way of stopping all these inconvenient sex abuse cases would be to make it ok to touch little girls how didn't we think of this sooner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22459815 so, this Barrister, Barbara Hewson, has suggested one way of stopping all these inconvenient sex abuse cases would be to make it ok to touch little girls how didn't we think of this sooner! brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Age of consent in Spain is 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristchurchVillan Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I`m guessing Mrs Hewson is one of those Catholic types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) I`m guessing Mrs Hewson is one of those Catholic types I'm guessing her challenging of Ireland's abortion law suggests she might not be. But I refuse to believe that makes all atheists kiddy fiddlers or kiddy fiddlers'' apologists. Not all of them. Edited May 9, 2013 by chrisp65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted May 9, 2013 Administrator Share Posted May 9, 2013 In the Vatican, the age of consent is 16 for males and 14 for females. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 They'll be knocking on that Muhammad's door next . When will it end ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I`m guessing Mrs Hewson is one of those Catholic types I think she's one of those atheist types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 In the Vatican, the age of consent is 16 for males and 14 for females. and in Ireland its 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I lost my virginity at 15 to a slightly older 15 year old. Who is the nonce in that situation ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 9, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2013 I lost my virginity at 15 to a slightly older 15 year old. Who is the nonce in that situation ?. He is. You're fine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I lost my virginity at 15 to a slightly older 15 year old. Who is the nonce in that situation ?.He is. You're fine.Even if it was my uncle. ???? It's a political hot potato if you ask me . Catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 More Jim Davidson shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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