P3te Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 the biggest problem about the whole this is that when mcleish inevitably needs to be replaced within the next 12 months, we're going to have a repeat of this whole process again unless the board actively start looking for a replacement now ive never understood why chairmen dont have a list of managers that they update regularly who they'd like to have should something happen with the current manager. similarly, ive never understood why managers dont have an ever evolving list of 3 players for every position ready should they need to sign anyone are we the only club that seems consistently unable to plan for the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarrieBlue Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The media are saying that AVFC are taking a big risk in hiring McLeish. In my book risk means uncertainty, and I am not uncertain of the outcome here! He will stay for two years, tops three. We will have a little bit weaker squad, our brand of football will have become worse, attendances will have gone down and we don't have Darren Bent anymore. Imagine being a player hearing about former players like Mark Hughes, even an up and coming Martinez, Martin Jol, Frank Rijkaard, Carlo Ancelotti and Sanchez Flores. Then they open the newspaper and see this ginger, **** joker accepting the job. WTF!? A lot of people inside the game are saying it is a good appointment. Only downside is fans' reaction to being ex blues. I'd be interested in how much you know about rijkaard (not counting barca and the ethos instilled by cruyff) and flores' brand of football? Alan Brazil who allegdly is a good friend of AM said he couldnt understand a) why Villa would go for McL and why McL would want to take it I listened to Brazil this morning and he was still pissed from his birthday celebrations last night. He didn't know what day it was. The man's an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to why Martin Jol was ignored and let go to Fulham? He has Prem experience - with a much bigger club than B'ham City - and has achieved two successive 5th place finishes in the Prem. I find it totally baffling. came within 2 days of signing for fulham last year, no doubt has a home in london, contact was probably already in place and it was therefore an easy move for him shame really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Never know, maybe the deal is off and Randy's just decided **** it and gone with Hughes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarrieBlue Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Never know, maybe the deal is off and Randy's just decided **** it and gone with Hughes? You must have run out of straws by now surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Welcome to Aston Villa, Alex McLeish All the best in the world. That's all that needs to be said right now. Anything else is only to detriment to ourselves and our football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Hes spent the money.. im not denying that.. He was doing all he can to get us in the top 4.. for his own business. I think hes now realised he cant compete with the big 4.. and has settled for midtable and will not spend that way again. Bent was a desperate signing to secure his investment The top four is more than likely out of reach whoever was appointed does that make Randy not love the club? Nope. And whilst I do think that top four place is highly unlikely I think there will be large investment in the playing staff this summer. I disagree that Bent was a desperate signing, I believe it was a signing that was needed and has been needed for some time. We all know MON turned down the chance of signing Darren Bent and Houlllier didnt turn the opportunity down. Why is it when anything good happens at our club like signing Darren Bent a striker we having been needing for years its somehow turned into a negative or that there was an alternative reason to signing to spending such amounts of money, just be happy it was spent and we got him. If he loved the club he would get the absolute best for it.. not a second rate manager from our fiercest rivals. Id hate to see how you treat your wife We hadnt seen that large investment before... until we were close to relegation.. and he realised he needed to do something to prevent his investment. Before that we had to sell to buy.. Weve sold Barry.. Milner... now Young.. Bent was signed with the Milner money anyway. I dearly hope im wrong.. but we will see what happens this summer. I expect we will spend about 20-25 mil (Young money) and depends if Downing goes we will spend maybe 30-35. Depending on WHO we sign.. the season may get better or worse. Im not happy about it.. and i wont forgive Lerner for it.. but i will support AM until we get to the point of how we were with Houllier (relegation fight) then i will call for his head. I hope McLeish succeeds.. i hope he makes us look like fools.. Villa succeeding.. as if we wont be happy to be wrong.. I just cant see it.. look how the fans reacted.. imagine how down the players will be with that announcement. Downing will no doubt want to leave now.. (if he didnt before). Time will tell i guess. Id never stop supporting the club but i wont stop being upset or disappointed in the lack of ambition shown by Randy or the disrespect shown to Villa fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 We obviously have to lower our expectations but I still can't understand why we couldn't go for an up and coming name like Poyet or Greyson rather than plumping for someone we know will be mediocre and divisive. You saw the reactions when Martinez and McClaren were bin the frame. Gus Poyet or Grayson would probably blow the VT servers up, not to mention the lynch mob that would have gone down VP. Basically, if it werent Ancelotti or Moyes...people were always going to moan Yes, people would have moaned whoever we appoint but this reaction is unprecidented. If you were to draw up a list of managers who are realistic options for us then I think almost every fan would have McCleish as bottom of that list. The appointment makes little sense on any level. At least with an up and coming manager who has not yet failed there would be some hope that he could go on to successful things. Appointing a known failure, and one directly from Birmingham City no less, defies any explination. Im not saying it makes sense. Of course im not. Its **** barmy. But the facts of the matter are that it looks 99% nailed on and theres fook all we can do about it. In my book, at this moment in time, the best thing we can do as FANS is all pull together and get some positivity back into the club. Like i mentioned earlier...i think Randy is gonna give McLeish an absolute wadd of yankee dollars to go and spend. Lets just see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islingtonclaret Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Never know, maybe the deal is off and Randy's just decided **** it and gone with Hughes? I will cry tears of joy for your correct prediction if you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Never know, maybe the deal is off and Randy's just decided **** it and gone with Hughes? You must have run out of straws by now surely? Yes :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coops_AVFC Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Welcome to Aston Villa, Alex McLeish All the best in the world. That's all that needs to be said right now. Anything else is only to detriment to ourselves and our football club. *Passes over a tin hat* I do agree though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancharlie Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 my favourite press conference was when Big Ron took over. my that was exciting. esp after the bad doctor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maradona10 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I don't think there will be a PC for McLeish, I think they'll let the news die down, he'll obviously give his quotes on AVTV, but i think when the board realise we need to publicise the kits, he may have one then. I would be surprised if there wasn't a press conference. Appointiing a new Villa manager is a massive deal. If Randy doesn't hold a PC it's tantamount to an admission that he's done something horrendously wrong! Will be very surprised if their is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Talking about Bent, I remember that interview with him, a couple of weeks ago, where he talked about Ancelotti, asked other players about him, etc. He seemed genuinely excited. Now, imagine how he feels about Big Eck? Ancelotti or Big Eck? Hmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to why Martin Jol was ignored and let go to Fulham? He has Prem experience - with a much bigger club than B'ham City - and has achieved two successive 5th place finishes in the Prem. I find it totally baffling. Trust me, you can't be as baffled as us Villa fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Alan Brazil who allegdly is a good friend of AM said he couldnt understand a) why Villa would go for McL and why McL would want to take it I listened to Brazil this morning and he was still pissed from his birthday celebrations last night. He didn't know what day it was. The man's an idiot. I'm not a fan of Brazil but don't think he's an idiot either. He was hungover from yesterday but I'm not sure what thats got to do with it Personally, I think it's telling that a friend of AM says that he isn't the right man for the Villa job. If his friends don't think he's up to the job no wonder the rest of us have our doubts I supported Houllier against my better judgement but I'm damned if I'm going to support a senseless appointment like McLeish If he'd have come after SHA finished 9th I might have half understood it but after the shit he served up over there last season....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b6bloke Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Ok guys, its a tough time but seeing some real dramas and big presumptions going on here so have this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to why Martin Jol was ignored and let go to Fulham? He has Prem experience - with a much bigger club than B'ham City - and has achieved two successive 5th place finishes in the Prem. I find it totally baffling. Trust me, you can't be as baffled as us Villa fans. Nearly as baffling as this if it's true http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-news-Quique-Sanchez-Flores-who-lead-Atletico-Madrid-to-Europa-League-triumph-2010-wants-job-if-fan-anger-keeps-Alex-McLeish-out-article747872.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maradona10 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Its happening this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 We obviously have to lower our expectations but I still can't understand why we couldn't go for an up and coming name like Poyet or Greyson rather than plumping for someone we know will be mediocre and divisive. You saw the reactions when Martinez and McClaren were bin the frame. Gus Poyet or Grayson would probably blow the VT servers up, not to mention the lynch mob that would have gone down VP. Basically, if it werent Ancelotti or Moyes...people were always going to moan Poyet would have been a great appointment. No sense at all in appointing McLeish. All-time low for me I agree...Poyet would have been a great appointment. But were you saying that three weeks ago?? I doubt it. Hindsights a wonderfull thing aint it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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