bobzy Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mantis said: The bottom 4 are that bad though. Put it this way, I wouldn't be surprised if 30 points was enough to keep you up this season, and they would've probably ended up getting 42-45 before the deduction. Everton have played 4 of the bottom 5 already and got 4 points from those games. Obviously their last 3 results have been huge for them, but they're right in the thick of it now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Feels like they've just plucked this points deduction from thin air. It's basically the same punishment as Everton going into administration. So way I read it Everton manipulated FFP accounts from covid to avoid going into administration (given they've needed cashflow help at times in last 12 months) and so prem have come up with 10 points. Will surely go down to 4-5 points on appeal. And if they're getting done with 10 points I look forward to Man. City receiving their 10 000 point deduction in a few years time..... £19.5m over the allowed FFP losses limit apparently. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Down to 19th. Burnley really are that shit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Yes they are guilty, but premier league turn a blind eye to others. 10 points a bit harsh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayEm Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Part of me is happy because I don't like Everton but it is quite ridiculous that they've been deducted 10 points while City have faced zero consequences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oishiiniku_uk Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 10 points seems harsh for a relatively small amount over the limit, but: - They stayed up by the skin of their teeth in both 21-22 & 22-23 and other clubs - who followed the rules - were relegated in their stead. - Everton will appeal and the deduction could well be reduced to 4/5 pts - Premier League is trying desperately to show that they can keep their own house in order and Everton have been used as an example of that - Leeds, Leicester & Burnley are threatening legal action against Everton (and who knows) possibly the Premier League if necessary. So the PL has to be seen to have taken a tough stance. Also, they're very fortunate that the case was heard this season rather than last. Lucked out that it takes the footballing authorities in this country as long as it does to resolve these matters. Edited November 17, 2023 by oishiiniku_uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) They’ve had a touch 2 points from safety with this much of the season left. With all that crap at the bottom this season plus they’re already in good form. Leeds will be fuming Edited November 17, 2023 by BleedClaretAndBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) A nicely chosen figure that punishes but not so heavily that it can be realistically expected to change that much. Good old Premier League. Edited November 17, 2023 by Chindie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 The fact they can take an immediate 10 point hit and still only be 2 points clear of safety should be very reassuring for them. They'll be fine. Sheffield United, Burnley, Luton and Bournemouth are all dog shit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted November 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mantis said: The fact they can take an immediate 10 point hit and still only be 2 points clear of safety should be very reassuring for them. They'll be fine. Sheffield United, Burnley, Luton and Bournemouth are all dog shit. 5 points from Bournemouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, jayEm said: Part of me is happy because I don't like Everton but it is quite ridiculous that they've been deducted 10 points while City have faced zero consequences. The City case will take so long, though. It's murky and will be heavily fought and backed financially. It'll need to be absolutely watertight for them to face anything. Everton's case is comparatively simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, villarule123 said: 5 points from Bournemouth? Luton are only 2 points ahead of them in 17th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 33 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Feels like they've just plucked this points deduction from thin air. It's basically the same punishment as Everton going into administration. So way I read it Everton manipulated FFP accounts from covid to avoid going into administration (given they've needed cashflow help at times in last 12 months) and so prem have come up with 10 points. Will surely go down to 4-5 points on appeal. And if they're getting done with 10 points I look forward to Man. City receiving their 10 000 point deduction in a few years time..... Sounds like more than just an FFP breach. Surely that’s fraud? I hate to admit it but I can see us having to sell a lot of players and reign in the spending in a year or two. FFP really will ensure no teams can crash the party of the elite. City are one of the big boys now. They’ll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oishiiniku_uk Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) Their next 4 fixtures (Man Utd at home, Forest away, Newcastle home, Chelsea home) are quite tough. They could well be a few more points adrift by the time they play Burnley in mid-December. On the plus side for them, I'd imagine the atmosphere at Goodison will be rocking the rest of the season as the Premier League has immediately created a real 'us against the world' mentality within Everton's fanbase. Edited November 17, 2023 by oishiiniku_uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted November 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mantis said: Luton are only 2 points ahead of them in 17th? Yeah you're right. I was being stupid. They will be fine unless Burnley somehow start performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 I’d back Everton to get out of this…..what are the bookies odds on them staying up I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Imagine if Everton get relegated and then on appeal some other team does. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, oishiiniku_uk said: Their next 4 fixtures (Man Utd at home, Forest away, Newcastle home, Chelsea home) are quite tough. They could well be a few more points adrift by the time they play Burnley in mid-December. On the plus side, I'd imagine the atmosphere at Goodison will be rocking the rest of the season as the Premier League has immediately created a real 'us against the world' mentality within Everton's fanbase. It will definitely galvanise Everton even more Scousers love a “us against the world” scenario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyVillans Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 if they had to pick a season to get a 10 pt deduction this is probably the best season with how poor the bottom 3 is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 It's not just the overspend. It's the fact that they used very creative accountancy to bring it down to that figure when the actual loss is around £336m. Moshiri kicked the club in the balls by saying they had to spend a shitload as the players they had were shite. Well boohoo, spend within the rules. And they admitted that they broke the rules and overspent the losses, so In unsure an appeal will be successful, as they have admitted they broke rules. But it does set a precedent now. If they get a deduction for this, at least some of the 115 charges against Man City are going to stick, and I'm sure Chelsea will get looked at. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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