BOF Posted June 21, 2012 Moderator Share Posted June 21, 2012 You're implying 'our' way is better. If, for example, the Irish gave half as much of a shit as they do over there about things then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. And to our eternal shame, we're more than happy to just watch football, drink beer and do **** all that actually matters. The reason they go about things over there in the way that they do is because they don't always have the avenues open to them that we have over here. We have them and don't always use them. You'd probably need to walk a mile in their shoes to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 The problem is, those countries are run by blokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 You're implying 'our' way is better. For all its faults 'our' way is better, without doubt. Protest movements are out in the streets across the MENA region and sacrificing their lives for ideals of freedom and democracy. That our electorates (and it's hardly restricted to Ireland) are generally apathetic is a reflection of the malaise in Western societies, not in the principle of democratic governance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 BBC reporting that a Libyan official has said that the US ambassador has been killed. Edit: link The US ambassador to Libya has died after an attack by militiamen on the US consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi, reports say. Ambassador Christopher Stevens is said to be among four US officials killed in a protest over a US-produced film that is said to insult the Prophet Muhammad. The US state department has only confirmed the death of one official - but it has not named them. Protesters have also attacked the US embassy in Cairo over the film. In the attack in Benghazi, unidentified armed men stormed the grounds, shooting at buildings and throwing handmade bombs into the compound. Security forces returned fire but Libyan officials say they were overwhelmed. A Libyan official has said Ambassador Stevens died from suffocation as a result of the attack. ...more on link And I'm not sure about the veracity of this twitter thing (which includes a grim picture of someone being carried off by a mob - purported to be someone from the consulate) - pic.twitter.com/twHXdZGx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 :shock: Shits going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 sky news saying its in relation to a video of the Mohammad.....world has gone mad official Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Oops.. Destroying an Embassy and killing the Ambassador is technically an act of war. Standing by to hear from the beards why this is actually America's fault because a few dicks made a film about Mohammed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 This is what happens when people with C13th values get hold of C21st weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Here we go again lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 the sooner islamic culture grows the **** up and accepts freedom to comment and satire the better, though sadly I don't expect it to happen anytime soon. The Christians still go a bit loopy, and they've been round longer. Personally I have no wish in drawing mohammed, but for those who do, one ought to be free from the risk of death. Violent cowards. Undoubtedly fundamentalist in nature, but I do wonder how just how many moderates there actually are in these countries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 but I do wonder how just how many moderates there actually are in these countries... about 99.9% of them ? You can't even call the pope the anti christ in the Euro parliament without getting a right hander from some catholic , religion isn't free of risk it seems :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 You can watch the film trailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 but I do wonder how just how many moderates there actually are in these countries... about 99.9% of them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 They are stuck in the Dark Ages, so should be made to use medieval weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 but I do wonder how just how many moderates there actually are in these countries... about 99.9% of them ? how many times have you been attacked since you've moved to the Sultanate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 A region where people are still stoned to death. What exactly do people expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 As unforgivable as these killings are, and as inane as muslim fundamentalism is, it's hard to see how the US can expect to reconcile with muslims when this sort of thing is still going on. The wisest ever saying: If you want peace, work for justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 The film was made by an Israeli Jew in the US who is now in hiding. Provoking Islam and hiding behind Uncle Sam. Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Nothing will change until Islam has mainstream leadership who are brave enough to be introspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Nothing will change until Islam has mainstream leadership who are brave enough to be introspective. The "Leadership" worship money over Muhammed every time...it's the people who need to accept differing views. But that will never happen. Just look at the sectarian violence across the Muslim world. A Sunni will strap bombs on himself and walk into a Shia wedding and vice versa. Even if you worship Allah and pray three times a day, and fast and don't drink, you and your children are still worth blowing into chunks of skull and flesh simply because of the sectarian difference. Also, they want to take over the world. That never helps the cause of peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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