AVFCforever1991 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Hopefully its not serious, get Vlaar back and then Baker gets injured, typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 20, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2013 This dude is soooooooo slow. I do like Baker, but his turn of pace his horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 This dude is soooooooo slow. I do like Baker, but his turn of pace his horrendous. Wait till you see Clark run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Made of glass unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Made of glass unfortunately That's not fair. He's not made of glass, he is a tall centre back who should not have been played SB. Side backs are usually short in height for a reason. They are up against fast wingers and need to turn quickly. Tall, bulky centre backs can't turn quickly. When they try they risk injury, especially if it's very cold and they've not warmed up properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 he played centre back yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) That's not fair. He's not made of glass, he is a tall centre back who should not have been played SB. Side backs are usually short in height for a reason. They are up against fast wingers and need to turn quickly. Tall, bulky centre backs can't turn quickly. When they try they risk injury, especially if it's very cold and they've not warmed up properly. What the hell is a side back? He was playing as a third centre back... Whose fault is it if he's not warmed up properly? That is no excuse..The fact of the matter is he has been injured numerous times in his short career, and that in my eyes makes him metaphorically made of glass Edited January 20, 2013 by mikeyp102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 He started LB, Bennett was on LW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) He started LB, Bennett was on LW. Completely disagree... But whatever positin he played it still doesn't hide from the fact he is injured again Edited January 20, 2013 by mikeyp102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Completely disagree Well, one thing we can agree on Baker was caught in the LB position facing Odemwingie. If it was a back 3 - which I'm not convinced it was - it didn't do him any favours. In a proper back 4 the LB should be further back and would have taken on the responsibility of tackling or blocking Odemwingie's cross. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 3-4-3 we played and started with, ...............Vlaar....Clark.....Baker........... Lowton..........................................Bennett When Baker got caught he had moved across to cover Bennett who had bombed forward, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 For me he is better than Clark in defence. I was looking forward to seeing him and Vlaar together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Side back haha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Side back is funny. No, centre backs never have to be able to turn and run do they? Con seemingly doesn't remember the days of Ugo Ehiogu as "side back" - he was far from dainty. He didn't warm up properly? Clutching at straws? "He is a tall centre back who should not have been played (in the imaginary) position of side back?" Er? He might have been on the side of a three but he was still playing centre back. All this "should not" business just seems like desperate digs at Lambert, as with Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Side back is funny. No, centre backs never have to be able to turn and run do they? For a given level of ability the typical CB is not as agile as the typical LB/RB. This is such an easy point to grasp I should not have to explain it because it would patronise too many people who might potentially read this post. Con seemingly doesn't remember the days of Ugo Ehiogu as "side back" - he was far from dainty. Huth, Ivanovic, Cuellar have all played that LB/RB role. They are not as effective in that position as they are at CB. That is my point. He didn't warm up properly? Clutching at straws? It's a common explanation for injury. Was a very cold day and it occurred early in the match. Reasonable hypothesis. "He is a tall centre back who should not have been played (in the imaginary) position of side back?" Er? He might have been on the side of a three but he was still playing centre back. All this "should not" business just seems like desperate digs at Lambert, as with Bannan. If it was a back 3 then we can question why Bennett was playing LWB, as Baker was covering down the left side for Bennett. I would have started Lichaj. All 9 games won this season won with Lichaj in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) If it was a back 3 then we can question why Bennett was playing LWB, as Baker was covering down the left side for Bennett. I would have started Lichaj. All 9 games won this season won with Lichaj in the team. (maybe in spite of Lichaj being in the team) Look, defenders have to cover sometimes - it happens all through the game and it is to be expected. He was not playing Left Back but left Centre Back. Edited January 20, 2013 by praisedmambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhell Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I think Side Back means a player defensive, that turn can not, then ends up on his side back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 20, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 20, 2013 Baker has a history of injuries going back to the youth team - he missed big chunks of reserve football with injury - hopefully his body will grow through them and he'll be able to build up the strength that helps prevent them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Look, defenders have to cover sometimes - it happens all through the game and it is to be expected. He was not playing Left Back but left Centre Back. A CB needs to cover that position more frequently with a back 3 and WBs than with a traditional back 2 and LB/RB because the WB more-often-than-not has sodded off up the pitch somewhere and left that area exposed. Leaving a big, hulking CB vs a small nippy winger = trouble. Ideally in a CB 3 I would have one Vlaar type CB in the middle and two, shorter (5'10 - 6') and more agile playmaking CBs on either side, because of the extra work they need to do on the wings compared to a traditional CB. As a CB in the Vlaar mold, Baker was playing out of his natural position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think a CB, especially one who has played FB in his career should fit into a back three easily, and although still lacking experience, Baker has those credentials. As for having to be smaller to deal with agile wingers, well these days many of the top strikers are small and agile, if Baker can't deal with that he's not got a future at the top level. I think a big lumbering dinosaur like Dunne would struggle to have a top flight career if he was starting out today because he really does struggle against small tricky strikers. Saying that I'd have him back in the side for the rest of this season because despite that he has the experience to organise that mess at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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