Genie Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I know there is a debate whether Ronaldo’s presence is hindering Man United overall but saying that Messi has not looked special for quite some time. It’s quite sad to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Pair of washed up Geriatrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Genie said: I know there is a debate whether Ronaldo’s presence is hindering Man United overall but saying that Messi has not looked special for quite some time. It’s quite sad to see. Yes just looked an average player last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 25, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2021 On 06/08/2021 at 17:41, foreveryoung said: Messi proving no loyalty in football, what that club have done for him is insane. First sign of trouble he's out of there I know this is an of post but it’s too funny not to reply to. No loyalty?! He was at Barcelona for 21 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 The thing that I don’t get is that Messi apparently couldn’t stay, even if he played for free because they couldn’t register players due to the debts. Now they sign Dani Alves, was it really about money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: I know this is an of post but it’s too funny not to reply to. No loyalty?! He was at Barcelona for 21 years I can see where this is coming from, like Gerrard, Terry and Lampard, were they just “loyal” to the clubs that paid them the most? Messi was on ludicrous wages at Barcelona. The president said he hoped Messi would stay and play for free which suggests it was an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Genie said: The thing that I don’t get is that Messi apparently couldn’t stay, even if he played for free because they couldn’t register players due to the debts. Now they sign Dani Alves, was it really about money? Apparently Messi wasn't allowed to play for minimum wage due to some technicality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I know this is an of post but it’s too funny not to reply to. No loyalty?! He was at Barcelona for 21 years Yeah I know he was there 21 years, everyone knows. The issue was they couldn't afford him, but you would think with the money he has, he would have reduced his salary to stay there and helped Barcelona out of the shit they are in with his commercial income. He jumped ship, PSG pay him 600k a week, i.e no loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Yeah I know he was there 21 years, everyone knows. The issue was they couldn't afford him, but you would think with the money he has, he would have reduced his salary to stay there and helped Barcelona out of the shit they are in with his commercial income. He jumped ship, PSG pay him 600k a week, i.e no loyalty. They weren’t allowed to reregister him even if he played for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 25, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Genie said: I can see where this is coming from, like Gerrard, Terry and Lampard, were they just “loyal” to the clubs that paid them the most? Messi was on ludicrous wages at Barcelona. The president said he hoped Messi would stay and play for free which suggests it was an option. Why should a player have to play for free to prove they’re loyal? Doesnt that make every professional player in history disloyal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 25, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Yeah I know he was there 21 years, everyone knows. The issue was they couldn't afford him, but you would think with the money he has, he would have reduced his salary to stay there and helped Barcelona out of the shit they are in with his commercial income. He jumped ship, PSG pay him 600k a week, i.e no loyalty. I find it amazing that a player who has been with one club for 21 years, especially the greatest player of all time who could have chosen to play for any club in the world for the past 15 years, can be called disloyal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, LondonLax said: They weren’t allowed to reregister him even if he played for free. Laporta suggested he could have played for free, possibly. Quote Laporta continued: "I hoped Messi would do a u-turn and he would say he would play for free. "I would have liked that and I would have been all for it. It is my understanding La Liga would have accepted it. But we cannot ask a player of Messi's stature to do this." Messi has said he was never asked to play for free. Quote "I was asked to cut my salary by 50 per cent and I did it without any problem. We were able to help the club more. The desire of me and my family was to stay in Barcelona. NOBODY ASKED ME TO PLAY FOR FREE AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE WORDS SAID BY THE PRESIDENT ARE OUT OF PLACE. THEY HURT ME BECAUSE I THINK HE DOESN'T NEED TO SAY THAT. So who knows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Why should a player have to play for free to prove they’re loyal? Doesnt that make every professional player in history disloyal? I guess it means loyalty doesn’t really exist. Messi was probably paid the thick end of a billion pounds or Euros by Barcelona who found themselves in their hour of need. Messi could have played for free (still getting millions from his other sponsors) and helped them out by banking the income off his name and presence at the club. His choice of course, but staying would have shown loyalty when he could get paid much more elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I find it amazing that a player who has been with one club for 21 years, especially the greatest player of all time who could have chosen to play for any club in the world for the past 15 years, can be called disloyal He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart, he got paid and royally, Barcelona made him. All players are disloyal, I expected nothing else. I bet you shed a tear with him in the presser when he left yeah? We both have different opinions that's fine, I'm not sure why you even brought it up to try and prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I’m all about loyalty, just read any of my posts in the Jack Grealish thread, but to question Leo Messi’s loyalty to Barcelona seems harsh even to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Yep, barca are an utter mess, dogshit and in the gutter thanks to mismanagement at board level (which messi detractors will also say is his fault) such a mess that at the time he left them they were literally unable to resign him and register him to the squad... But he should have stayed? The crazy thing is the messi detractors also spent years moaning that he didn't leave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 25, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Genie said: I guess it means loyalty doesn’t really exist. Messi was probably paid the thick end of a billion pounds or Euros by Barcelona who found themselves in their hour of need. Messi could have played for free (still getting millions from his other sponsors) and helped them out by banking the income off his name and presence at the club. His choice of course, but staying would have shown loyalty when he could get paid much more elsewhere. He cut his salary by 50% but because he didn’t do his job for free it means he’s not loyal? This is honestly insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 25, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart, he got paid and royally, Barcelona made him. All players are disloyal, I expected nothing else. I bet you shed a tear with him in the presser when he left yeah? We both have different opinions that's fine, I'm not sure why you even brought it up to try and prove me wrong. I wasn’t trying to prove you wrong. I just found it amazing that a player who had given almost his entire career to a club was still being framed as disloyal. It’s mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He cut his salary by 50% but because he didn’t do his job for free it means he’s not loyal? This is honestly insane. I don’t think it’s insane really. Barcelona develop Messi into a superstar Barcelona pay Messi incredible money to make him rich beyond his wildest dreams. Barcelona get into big financial issues, contributed in no short measure by the money Messi was demanding. The definition of loyal would be for Messi to stand by Barcelona when they need him most, even though he doesn’t need to. He can take nothing out but allow them to recover money in which will help them with their debts. Everything that went before was a business arrangement. He stayed in return for record breaking wages. This summer came the test of loyalty, doing something he didn’t have to do because of love for the club. Messi left. He would have left sooner if they didn’t match his pay demands. Edited November 25, 2021 by Genie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Don't forget if it wasn't for Barcelona, Messi wouldn't have been able to afford his childhood medication for GHD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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