Stevo985 Posted November 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Genie said: I’d be interested in peoples definition of loyalty then as I think it differs to mine. Staying in 1 place for a long time because they pay you more than anyone else would isn’t loyalty for me. It’s business. Any elite club in the world would have paid him that much. If not more. He’s the greatest player of all time. That’s why he’s paid a lot. He could have gone to any club he wanted at any point in his career. They’d have matched his wages and more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) When PSG get knocked out of the CL he will probably go into autopilot for the rest of the season. Edited November 26, 2021 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 20 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Any elite club in the world would have paid him that much. If not more. He’s the greatest player of all time. That’s why he’s paid a lot Depending on source he was on somewhere between £1.1m and £1.7m a week. That’s about double the next best paid player in the world. I was always team Messi in the debate about Messi v Ronaldo. Their goal scoring records were amazingly similar but Messi always had that dash of wow in his game too which separated them in my mind. The last year or 2 though Messi has looked a bit lost and sad. Maybe it’s the way Barcelona has been run into financial disaster. But he just looks to be going through the motions now. Seeing Ronaldo’s desire actually go up has earned my respect. He has nothing to prove to anyone, and is insanely rich but puts in an unreal amount of effort and dedication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 that was predicatble 10 years ago, i think messi will retire before ronaldo hard to say that he doesnt want to be at PSG but maybe he doesnt, i think he wanted to stay at barca his whole career but they've **** it all up rio ferdinand of all people is right about the 2, messi is an artist but ronaldo is a machine, i dont disagree with that but i've never found any joy in watching Ronaldo play which is the complete opposite of messi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2021 Rumours are Messi has won the Ballon D’Or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: rio ferdinand of all people is right about the 2, messi is an artist but ronaldo is a machine, i dont disagree with that but i've never found any joy in watching Ronaldo play which is the complete opposite of messi I largely agree. Ronaldo's dedication to keeping himself incredible shape and at the top of the game is very impressive. I doubt there are many players that work as hard as he does, and he's, what, 36 pushing 37 years old? But so much of his game over the last 3 or 4 years has been more about explosive play. Those leaps for headers etc. IMO, Messi won't have the same longevity because the aspects of his game that make him so great require much more constant energy. His dribbling and ability to shift the ball quickly are really what makes him stand out in moments - but that is absolutely fading on his part and I can't see him having the same transformative nature that Ronaldo does, despite having 2 years on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Rumours are Messi has won the Ballon D’Or now that would be a piss take. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mic09 said: now that would be a piss take. Would be disgraceful on Lewandowski. Robbed 2 years in a row 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Zatman said: Would be disgraceful on Lewandowski. Robbed 2 years in a row If it happens, Ballon D'or will lose all it's credibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, Zatman said: Would be disgraceful on Lewandowski. Robbed 2 years in a row I hope he publicly loses his shit about it if he is snubbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genie said: I hope he publicly loses his shit about it if he is snubbed. He did back in 2016 when he got something like 16th place after a great season:https://twitter.com/lewy_official/status/808399789700349952?s=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Messi would be solely on the copa America, in which yo be fair he was incredible, but best player this year based on his performance over 6 games? That not how it should work Lewandowski has been brilliant consistently for the whole year (actually 2 years straight) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Messi would be solely on the copa America, in which yo be fair he was incredible, but best player this year based on his performance over 6 games? That not how it should work Lewandowski has been brilliant consistently for the whole year (actually 2 years straight) Bit of a disservice on Messi tbh - he was in pretty sensational form for Barca and almost single-handedly dragged them into the 2020/21 title race (I think they were something stupid like 15 points behind Real at one stage). They messed up the end of the season though . Obviously also then won player of the tournament at the Copa America. Maybe it's not a phenomenal year by Messi standards, but still over 40 goals, double figure assists. FWIW, I'd have thought Jorginho would have been worth a shout at winning Ballon D'Or. Very good performances for both Chelsea (Champions League) and Italy (Euro 2020) but I guess he doesn't score goals and scoring goals (+ winning things) tends to lead to players winning awards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2021 I agree it should be Lewandowski. Or even Salah. But we’ve seen before that they value team honours, especially international honours, massively in these votes so I’m not really surprised. Messi dragging Argentina to the Copa America is what will have won it for him. Same reason Jorginho was in the conversation. You can’t realistically say he’s been the best player in the world, but a champions league and a Euros gets you way up the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Messi got 61 goals and assists last season plus won the Copa America, largely due to him and Emi. I'd say Lewandowski was more unlucky in 2020 but I don't really know why he would edge Messi this time. Salah has been the best player in the world this season but I don't think there has been enough football to take into the equation that much. International tournaments always have a large say in these things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Tantrum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) OT - part of the interest for all or nothing NFL was that it was random teams, you got to see a world that you don't know, most of the time genuinely not knowing at the start of the season is successful or not despite it having happened The football one seems to miss the point, this year they've done juve and bayern If they did an all or nothing sampdoria I'd have more interest than a juve one I don't even watch ice hockey and the maple leafs show is more interesting to me Edited November 28, 2021 by villa4europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I dont get it. How did Messi win the ballon d'or? The award is bs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 not sure why anybody is surprised. absolute farce 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I'm gutted for Lewandowski. Robbed 2 years in a row. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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