Anyone Watching A Good Tv Show?

[Demitri_C]

2 hours ago, Designer1 said:

Yeah I wouldn't go so far as 'absolutely terrible' but it's definitely the weakest season with some truly boring and pointless episodes.

s2 is an increase in quality and apart from the odd misstep s3 and s4 are truly terrific.

It was terrible. as you say very boring which for me ruined the show and a lot of people i know gave up aftwr s01 as it was so bad.

[Hornso]

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

It was terrible. as you say very boring which for me ruined the show and a lot of people i know gave up aftwr s01 as it was so bad.

I stopped watching after Season 1 too but after a few years off I went and watched S2 and was impressed with the improvement. I wouldn't say it's a must watch or close to it but at least it's decent now.

[Stevo985]

Two episodes of Gotham was enough for me.

That kind of show isn't usually my thing anyway but I like Batman so gave it a go.

Garbage.

[Demitri_C]

Iron fist s02 was bloody brilliant. Loved it.

[AVFCDAN]

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

Iron fist s02 was bloody brilliant. Loved it.

I have some bad news for you.

[Demitri_C]

18 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said:

I have some bad news for you.

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[sne]

Just now, Demitri_C said:

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Shows been cancelled along with Luke Cage.

[Demitri_C]

1 minute ago, sne said:

Shows been cancelled along with Luke Cage.

Nooooooo ffs why?

[sne]

4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Nooooooo ffs why?

Might be down to the new Disney streaming platform, but not sure.

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We don’t know, nor are we likely ever to know, the full story behind why Netflix chose to cancel Marvel’s Iron Fist and Luke Cage. The streamer is an infamously opaque mystery box that releases no data on viewership and is astoundingly tight-lipped with reporters. The Hollywood Reporter has a source who said the Luke Cage axing was the result of “creative differences and the inability to agree to terms for a third season of the show,” but that’s one anonymous person, so who knows? With Iron Fist, we have an even more glaring paucity of information. That show got ripped apart by criticsand never shook the early bad buzz about its casting of a white dude as a martial-arts master, so one assumes that the ratings just weren’t there for season two, but who can really say? It’s astoundingly hard to get anyone involved to talk, even off the record, because the NDAs and surveillance involved in working on a Marvel project are nigh totalitarian.

But even if we can’t figure out the reasoning behind these abrupt disappearances (both within a few days of the unveiling of a new Marvel Netflix season, Daredevil’s third — the Cage news came on release day!), we can still survey the landscape that they leave behind. The cancellations leave us with a Marvel Netflix slate devoid of clean-living, respectable protagonists. What remains, for better or worse, are the bastards.

Here are the Marvel Netflix shows that are still on the docket: Jessica Jones, The Punisher, and Daredevil. (Crossover team-up series The Defenders has also gone the way of the dodo, but as Krysten Ritter told me last year, there might never have been a plan for more than one season of it.) Let’s go through their respective lead heroes, shall we? Jessica, God bless her, is an asshole and a drunk, congenitally incapable of getting her act together or not alienating everyone around her. The Punisher is, well, the freaking Punisher: Whatever the righteousness of his cause might be, his bloodlust and amoral leanings make him the image you put next to the dictionary definition of “anti-hero.” Even Daredevil, devoted Catholic that he may be, is a prideful nightmare of a friend who has way too much fun beating the hell out of people.

By contrast, Luke was a fundamentally respectable gent — perhaps to a fault, in terms of the racial vector of his respectability politics. Although the second season of his show tried to present him as a guy struggling with anger management and left him off having made a devil’s bargain to become a crime lord, there was something that always rang false whenever showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker tried to make him seem morally questionable. Perhaps it’s just the way actor Mike Colter oozes decency, but one always felt that the Hero for Hire was an honest man doing the best he could. And as for Danny Rand, the Immortal Iron Fist: Holy schnikes was that guy a goody two-shoes or what? His whole deal was his status as a naïf, raised on a steady diet of monastic lessons about virtue and separated from the corrupting influences of the outside world. Sure, he could be irritating, but part of the irritation was his constant effort to do right by the world and be a nice guy while doing it.

Now, both of those figures are bereft of their own shows. Marvel has emphasized that their stories can still go on in other forms, which makes cameos in future seasons of the surviving Netflix shows a probability. But the stories they’d be intruding upon are ones that err on the grim-and-gritty side. It’s somewhat disheartening, to be honest. Even if you were never that much of a fan of Cage or Fist, their loss means that Marvel’s Netflix projects will, for the time being, probably be an enterprise where “maturity” is defined by how dark you can go and how far you can push your characters toward unforgivable acts of violence. It’s a problem that superhero comics have periodically run into, and it’s always frustrating to see that sludginess become predominant.

It’s also a problem that Marvel’s eternal rival, DC, has faced in the construction of its movie universe. Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and Suicide Squad were all lambasted for being excessively cynical about (super)human nature and left the DC brand with a reputation for going too hard on the brooding and not hard enough on the laughs. Ironically, Marvel has been the alternative to that approach when it comes to the Cineplex, offering up Marvel Cinematic Universe movies that shine with a sometimes-cloying optimism and protagonists to whom you want to give a big ol’ hug. Are we now looking at a fully DC-ified Marvel operation on Netflix?

If so, that would make the TV situation a bizarre counterpoint to the film one, in that DC has generally been sunny in its offerings on the CW: Supergirl, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, and the like. Arrow can get a bit broody, but the schmaltz and quirk quotients are still high; same goes for Black Lightning. The one big exception to that rule is Titans, the new DC series available only on a branded DC app, which is bleak and horrifying enough to make The Punisher look like The Great British Baking Show. But for now, its relegation to the walled garden of a streaming platform makes it a minor factor in the overall DC brand.

Speaking of streaming: The elephant in the room is the fact that Disney plans to roll out its own service to compete with Netflix in the not-too-distant future. One has to imagine that was a factor in Netflix’s decisions to part ways with Marvel on Cage and Fist. Viewership may have been low, creative differences may have been had, but if Netflix felt true ownership over the shows, it might have had a higher tolerance for such hiccups. As it stands, however, Marvel has a foot out the door already. I have no idea if that fact has caused strains in the Marvel/Netflix relationship, but I can’t imagine that it helped make the case for keeping the shows on the digital air.

The real question is what happens once this much-discussed Disney video platform launches. Presumably, the House of Mouse will want to cram as much original Marvel content into it as is feasible, what with that being one of its primary cash cows and all. That could lead to an interesting situation, in that the platform will reportedly host shows featuring MCU movie talentand that are helmed by Marvel Studios — the movie division — rather than Marvel Television, which handles the Netflix offerings (as well as Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Runaways, and Cloak & Dagger). Could Cage or Fist be rebooted there? Or maybe refashioned along the lines of the comics adventures of their protagonists, thus giving way to a Luke/Danny Power Man and Iron Fist show or a team-up between Cage’s Misty Knight and Fist’s Colleen Wing in the form of Daughters of the Dragon? One hopes so, in the name of diversity. There’s the diversity of ethnicity, of course: Everyone except Danny in that quadruplet is a person of color, while the prime players in the remaining Marvel Netflix shows are almost entirely white. But there’s also the diversity of tone. Until this mythical digital beast launches, Marvel’s streaming offerings will be a pouty lot, indeed.

http://www.vulture.com/2018/10/luke-cage-iron-fist-cancelled-netflix-marvel.html

[Demitri_C]

That's so lame. Luke cage I get a state been shit. But iron fist was so good s2. Very disappointed.

[villa4europe]

im on episode 6 of making a murder 2, unsurprisingly it just lacks the impact of the 1st series, the shock isn't there which means the emotion as a viewer is no longer there, i would say that part of the success of the 1st series was that the court case wasnt overly complicated, if anything it was the flagrant disregard of common sense and stuff that everyone could seemingly understand apart from the idiots on tv, series 2 is at times complicated and a bit boring and yeah the appeal system is daft but its now in a boring kind of way, it being kicked around the 7th circle of courts or whatever its called and this judge says this but the bloke above him does this so the lawyer then does this...yeah i get it but i don't really care...

some of the stuff the woman lawyer does to disprove the evidence is really interesting but for me it feels so futile so again its strangely void of any impact, maybe because i was convinced of his innocence after series 1 im not getting any kind of head turning moment in this one

what i do think is that they should have been less bashful and done a couple of episodes on the impact of the first series, theres bits spread about throughout but i would have happily watched more

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they should have properly gone after that blonde bint who tried to marry him, i think there's probably a fair few interesting stories to be told with the pair of them and the rest of the family attracting some right weirdos

 

[Brumstopdogs]

Just finished Haunting of Hill House and was very impressed.

It is well worth watching if you haven't given it a try.

[AVFCDAN]

10 hours ago, villa4europe said:

im on episode 6 of making a murder 2, unsurprisingly it just lacks the impact of the 1st series, the shock isn't there which means the emotion as a viewer is no longer there, i would say that part of the success of the 1st series was that the court case wasnt overly complicated, if anything it was the flagrant disregard of common sense and stuff that everyone could seemingly understand apart from the idiots on tv, series 2 is at times complicated and a bit boring and yeah the appeal system is daft but its now in a boring kind of way, it being kicked around the 7th circle of courts or whatever its called and this judge says this but the bloke above him does this so the lawyer then does this...yeah i get it but i don't really care...

some of the stuff the woman lawyer does to disprove the evidence is really interesting but for me it feels so futile so again its strangely void of any impact, maybe because i was convinced of his innocence after series 1 im not getting any kind of head turning moment in this one

what i do think is that they should have been less bashful and done a couple of episodes on the impact of the first series, theres bits spread about throughout but i would have happily watched more

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they should have properly gone after that blonde bint who tried to marry him, i think there's probably a fair few interesting stories to be told with the pair of them and the rest of the family attracting some right weirdos

 

I started off Series 2 with the same opinion but by the end I was more engrossed than the first one. I thought all along in the 1st that he probably did it and thought that a combination of a defence team who missed key things and the court blocking them from accusing others meant that he really had no defence and was consigned to the obvious decision that came his way.

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I have to say by the end of the 2nd I'm actually starting to believe he didn't do it, there's certainly reasonable doubt for me now. The man deserves a retrial at the very least.

 

[Pelle]

Really looking forward to this

But I fear it might be a wasted opportunity.

[PieFacE]

2 hours ago, AVFCDAN said:

I started off Series 2 with the same opinion but by the end I was more engrossed than the first one. I thought all along in the 1st that he probably did it and thought that a combination of a defence team who missed key things and the court blocking them from accusing others meant that he really had no defence and was consigned to the obvious decision that came his way.

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I have to say by the end of the 2nd I'm actually starting to believe he didn't do it, there's certainly reasonable doubt for me now. The man deserves a retrial at the very least.

 

Agree completely. Thought the 2nd one was much more gripping. After the first season I was sure Avery did it, because the whole series felt very biased. However, the 2nd season didn't really seem to have that bias to it, it showed how **** the American law/criminal system can be.

Much preferred season 2.  

[sne]

9 minutes ago, Pelle said:

Really looking forward to this

But I fear it might be a wasted opportunity.

Same here.

But with the postponed airing , dubious casting and Fox in general I'm fearing the worst.

Really love the books.

[Pelle]

6 minutes ago, sne said:

Same here.

But with the postponed airing , dubious casting and Fox in general I'm fearing the worst.

Really love the books.

Exactly. I mean, FOX has done some half decent criminal series like Criminal minds, but I doubt they can pull off something like this. This is something else. Was it FOX that made 22/11/63? If so my hopes go up a bit. That one was very good.

Me too. Rpic and they are worthy a very good adaption.

[wazzap24]

@sne @Pelle

I posted about the Passge TV show on here a while back.

It needed to be HBO/Netflix, with a proper budget and proper actors. 

Even if this turns out to be 'decent' it'll still be a massive missed opportunity. Amazing source material. 

[Davkaus]

I'm struggling with Jason Bateman in a serious role, but half a dozen episodes in, Ozark is excellent.

[sne]

8 minutes ago, wazzap24 said:

@sne @Pelle

I posted about the Passge TV show on here a while back.

It needed to be HBO/Netflix, with a proper budget and proper actors. 

Even if this turns out to be 'decent' it'll still be a massive missed opportunity. Amazing source material. 

The more you read about it the worse it looks sadly.

The way they've changed some characters, the story focusing on the Amy and Wolgast relationship "before the events" and so on.

Most or the whole first season to be present day is stretching it way too far. Like they don't really believe in the show and are doing it on the cheap.