Popular Post Xela Posted February 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2022 Finished Reacher Overall very enjoyable, I just felt it tailed off a bit towards the end. Still a solid 7.5/10 WB 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 hours ago, sne said: Paraphrasing from a post I read in another forum but it kinda looks like if they don't intend to tell Tolkiens story but rather bought the rights to tell their own story set in the Tolkien universe. Obviously it's impossible to tell from such a short clip but I agree that it seems off some how. Edit: Apparently there is some sort of organized protest happening where tons people are posting versions of a Tolkien quote going something like “Evil cannot create anything new, it can only spoil and destroy what good forces have invented or created" in the comment section for the trailer The problem is, as I understand it, they have the rights to the appendices of LoTR as they relate to the Second Age, and they cannot alter the significant events of history prior . That means that they have really thin stuff to work with, and it's not really enough to make a series out of on it's own. Whilst the events of Second Age are massively important for what happens later (the creation of the Rings, the ascendancy of Sauron, Numenor, culminating in the battle we see at the beginning of Jackson's films, the Last Alliance, Isildur etc) we only have it in pretty broad terms, not enough to make an extended series without fleshing it out and adding characters. We have something akin to a historical record. It would be like taking the entirety of GoT and boiling it down to a couple of paragraphs. It's disappointing then that so far the main complaints about it seem to point firmly at it being 'woke' because they've cast some black people, as if that has any bearing on anything. It's absurd. I couldn't give less of a **** if there's black elves, black dwarves, whatever - it doesn't matter, it doesn't change anything, and it addressees a problem with the material that all the non-white people are evil savages or simpleton pygmies. But apparently it makes it 'woke' and therefore immediately bad. I suspect an undercurrent of the hatred is because LoTR has a surprisingly strong following in the white nationalist community. I have my own issues with what we've seen so far, not least of which is them taking Galadriel and making her into a character that she simply isn't. I can see why they've done it, she's one of the few big, powerful female characters they have in the Second Age, and Tolkein notoriously has very few female characters that do much, which is another valid criticism of his work. The problem is by using Galadriel as someone who is involved in action, adventure etc, they're changing who that character is. She's a ruler. She's exceptionally powerful, but she's someone who leads and influences, she's not wearing armour, going to battle etc. They would be better served parking her character and going with Elrond, or putting an original character in as a general or have a background figure pushed as a main character that changes nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 The rights for the hobbit and LOTR goes up for sale this year, expected to reach around $2.5bn and amazon are the favourites to buy that too If they were to get it then future seasons could see more of a tie in but at the moment I'm not sure what they've bought let's them jump in with both feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Chindie said: The problem is, as I understand it, they have the rights to the appendices of LoTR as they relate to the Second Age, and they cannot alter the significant events of history prior . That means that they have really thin stuff to work with, and it's not really enough to make a series out of on it's own. Whilst the events of Second Age are massively important for what happens later (the creation of the Rings, the ascendancy of Sauron, Numenor, culminating in the battle we see at the beginning of Jackson's films, the Last Alliance, Isildur etc) we only have it in pretty broad terms, not enough to make an extended series without fleshing it out and adding characters. We have something akin to a historical record. It would be like taking the entirety of GoT and boiling it down to a couple of paragraphs. It's disappointing then that so far the main complaints about it seem to point firmly at it being 'woke' because they've cast some black people, as if that has any bearing on anything. It's absurd. I couldn't give less of a **** if there's black elves, black dwarves, whatever - it doesn't matter, it doesn't change anything, and it addressees a problem with the material that all the non-white people are evil savages or simpleton pygmies. But apparently it makes it 'woke' and therefore immediately bad. I suspect an undercurrent of the hatred is because LoTR has a surprisingly strong following in the white nationalist community. I have my own issues with what we've seen so far, not least of which is them taking Galadriel and making her into a character that she simply isn't. I can see why they've done it, she's one of the few big, powerful female characters they have in the Second Age, and Tolkein notoriously has very few female characters that do much, which is another valid criticism of his work. The problem is by using Galadriel as someone who is involved in action, adventure etc, they're changing who that character is. She's a ruler. She's exceptionally powerful, but she's someone who leads and influences, she's not wearing armour, going to battle etc. They would be better served parking her character and going with Elrond, or putting an original character in as a general or have a background figure pushed as a main character that changes nothing. Good post, fully agree. The Galadriel Warrior princess is terrible, I think she's also supposed to be around 4000 years old when the show happens so she should probably look at least a bit like Cate Blanchett did but I get that this is not possible. Not the new actress fault. Dwarf women with no beard, sure not a deal breaker. Don't even remember if that is a Tolkien thing. Inventing a new race that is not a hobbit but is absolutely a hobbit. People like hobbits and this way we can have a young adult side story happening. Edited February 14, 2022 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 14, 2022 What they need to buy is the Silmarillion and all related works. The Second Age has 2 big stories - Sauron and the rings, the fall of Numenor. The First Age has loads of stories, and is the point of the Silmarillion really. The creation of the world, the discord of evil within it, the creation of various races, conflict amongst the gods, the Silmarils, the Two Trees, Morgoth and Ungoliant, various wars against Morgoth, the creation of the dragons, balrogs, orcs, various fueds curses and heroic sacrifices, Morgoth's torturing and cursing of an entire family that dared stand against him, Tolkein's best love story in Beren and Luthien, and absolutely enormous battle after enormous battle spanning thousands of years. That's the quality stuff in the pre-Hobbit stories. It's important enough that the first 2 episodes of this show are a prologue covering the First Age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I'm actually loving The Gilded Age. It's the American version of Downton Abbey, but arguably better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I'm now on the second season of Gomorrah. What about Don Salvatore's girlfriend. As I used to say back in the day, " I'm not gay, but them trannies sure know how to shine a rifle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Bel air ..... Two episodes in ......megh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, Meath_Villan said: Bel air ..... Two episodes in ......megh Just watched the first episode, thought it was alright - better than the less than lukewarm reviews I’ve seen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 6 hours ago, Xela said: Finished Reacher Overall very enjoyable, I just felt it tailed off a bit towards the end. Still a solid 7.5/10 WB Couldn't agree more. It got rocket polisher as it went on. Started really well. In stuck with it, but just became less gripping 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Meath_Villan said: Bel air ..... Two episodes in ......megh Was gonna ask if anyones seen it? I personally think there is no chance in hell it will live up to the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted February 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2022 11 hours ago, Chindie said: What they need to buy is the Silmarillion and all related works. The Second Age has 2 big stories - Sauron and the rings, the fall of Numenor. The First Age has loads of stories, and is the point of the Silmarillion really. The creation of the world, the discord of evil within it, the creation of various races, conflict amongst the gods, the Silmarils, the Two Trees, Morgoth and Ungoliant, various wars against Morgoth, the creation of the dragons, balrogs, orcs, various fueds curses and heroic sacrifices, Morgoth's torturing and cursing of an entire family that dared stand against him, Tolkein's best love story in Beren and Luthien, and absolutely enormous battle after enormous battle spanning thousands of years. That's the quality stuff in the pre-Hobbit stories. It's important enough that the first 2 episodes of this show are a prologue covering the First Age. I love the First Age stories, possibly more than the Third Age ones. However, I'm not sure that they'd work for a mainstream audience at this time. They're too big, too religious, too far away from what people already know and there's not enough human protagonist's for the mainstream audience to relate to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2022 From what I've heard from a couple of friends who have watched Bel Air... it's awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Just now, Stevo985 said: From what I've heard from a couple of friends who have watched Bel Air... it's awful Just watched first episode. Its not great. Spoiler The charchters are completely different from the show. I get they trying to do a modern take on it but jeffrey looks more like a gangster than a butler. Uncle phil is skinny and looks like a politician that only cares about his image. Carlton isnt nerdy and Hillary is more like a influencer. I put the above in case you wanna watch it as descriptions of the charchters as although its not really telling any spoilers on the show just their characters. I personally think this is gonna be a complete flop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted February 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2022 I'm 20 minutes into All of us are dead and I think about a quarter of that has involved people talking with their mouths full of food. It's really distracting and making me want to turn it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Probably for the TTPYO thread but eating on screen annoys me. I know its acting but they do a little mild chew after a while and clean their teeth with the tongue. No one eats like that normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Bel air episode 2-shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted February 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2022 Watching the Last Kingdom as need a new show to watch with the wife. Love the books but not sure what to make of the show as the pacing is crazy fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: Watching the Last Kingdom as need a new show to watch with the wife. Love the books but not sure what to make of the show as the pacing is crazy fast. We loved it - thought each season was decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted February 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, theboyangel said: We loved it - thought each season was decent. Does the pacing slow down at all? Spoiler First episode had Uthred's brother and father die, Ragner adopt him, Kjartan's betrayal, Uthred and Brida growing up, Ragnar's death and the fall of all kingdom's but Wessex. That was about half of the first book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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