Kingman Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Thanks for the guidance, ended up getting him a HDMI HDTV-Adapter and hard wired it. He cant really go wrong with that and it works a treat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Well the Pixel phones are not cheap are they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, mykeyb said: Well the Pixel phones are not cheap are they Google clearly targeting Apple users at the higher end of the market. That must be where the money to be made is How do the specs compare to the top end Android phones already out? I guess Microsoft will launch their Surface phone next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 That enormous bottom edge makes me appreciate Samsung a lot more. If you're going to have massive bezels, stick physical buttons on there, don't waste the edges and then take away a whole area of my screen for buttons as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 4, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 4, 2016 They're going to sell about 5 of them at that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I've been mooching about social media and it seems to be 99.99% people saying it's well over priced which was exactly my first thought. The Oneplus 3 is £250 less. I wonder how Google are gonna play this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Same as a the pixel c I suppose, they just won't expect to sell many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I wish them a lot of luck. The reviews are going to have to be spectacular at that price point. It's the same price as an iPhone but it won't hold its value like an iPhone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 18 minutes ago, The_Rev said: I wish them a lot of luck. The reviews are going to have to be spectacular at that price point. It's the same price as an iPhone but it won't hold its value like an iPhone. It won't have the same "appeal" as an iPhone either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted October 5, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 5, 2016 Quote Pixel comes in two sizes, 5” or 5.5”, and three colors: Very Silver, Quite Black and our limited edition for the U.S. only, Really Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 The cheapest Pixel XL is £719.00, by comparison my 6P cost about £429 from memory, thats a massive leap in pricing which does put them into the iphone territory which makes it an even harder sell. With all the other stuff going on at Alphabet you do wonder if the bean counters have taken control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted October 5, 2016 Administrator Share Posted October 5, 2016 I think they've just abandoned the race to the bottom of the market. It'll show what a really top end Android phone can do. If you want a cheap Android, there are many of them. There are a range of Android 6.0 handsets available on Amazon, delivered from the UK at £60-70. If you want a high end, you've got the flagships. And if you want something in between, there are hundreds if not thousands of them all with different features and functions. I'm surprised Google are still making handsets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Totally agree but for the XL they are in the same marketplace as the Note 7. 64gb version unlocked from Carphonewarehouse £699.00. So more expensive with less memory than the 7. There was a bit of a backlash when they brought out the Nexus 6 as the price had gone up dramatically from the 5 so not surprised its happening again. As others have said it will need to be the best android handset out there to justify that price tag and I dont see too many Samsung fanboys or iphone users making the swap so not sure who they would be targeting with it. I wasnt considering the move from my 6P as I am more than happy with it so will be interesting to see how the reviews shape up. Did I miss the Andromeda announcement yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted October 5, 2016 Administrator Share Posted October 5, 2016 @mykeyb I think you are missing the point. They don't care how many they sell. That's not where they make their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 5, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 26 minutes ago, limpid said: They don't care how many they sell. Course they do. They could afford not to sell many, but they sure as heck want to sell loads. The profit from top end phones where the software and hardware manufacturer are the same is huge. Additionally, they want to take market share from Apple in particular. Big business doesn't care about making (more) money is not something I see written down very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 So do they make more money from Pixel owners than they do from Samsung Galaxy owners or Motorola owners etc. Not enough to justify its existence. Nexus phones were supposed to be reference devices for programmers & developers and that obviously at times held them back as it was as close to a pure android experience you could get. Motorola showed what you could with pretty much the same thing with a few little tweaks added to improve the user experience and from that point on maybe Google took the decision to be not held back be the previous limitations of the OS which does explain why Nougat was released before the new handsets which has happened previously and why the Pixel Launcher and android assistant as it appears on the pixel will not be available for other handsets for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 5, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 23 minutes ago, mykeyb said: So do they make more money from Pixel owners than they do from Samsung Galaxy owners or Motorola owners etc. Not enough to justify its existence. Google basically give away the Android software to other phone manufacturers and make money based on the people (phone users) using their software. These expensive new pixels high end phones have very large profit margins - sale price is way more than build price (for apple at least). For the money Apple and Samsung will have economy of scale in terms of recurring costs, which Google will not yet have, but if you think about it Google's success with Android has been gazillions of users all using their software, and from each user Google makes a small amount of money. Apple, for example makes a huge amount of money from each user, because they make the hardware and the software on their phones. If Google can do the same, they will get the best of both profit methods - money from other manufacturers phones being used and sales from Play and from adverts and also money from their own hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted October 5, 2016 Administrator Share Posted October 5, 2016 25 minutes ago, blandy said: Course they do. They could afford not to sell many, but they sure as heck want to sell loads. The profit from top end phones where the software and hardware manufacturer are the same is huge. Additionally, they want to take market share from Apple in particular. Even if they sell in bucket loads, I suspect the total profit will be less than a second of advertising revenue. They wouldn't give their staff 20% of their time to work on their own projects if they were only driven by money. They'd work them as hard as Apple work their staff. NB. I'm not saying they aren't driven by money, but it's clearly not their only driver. I don't think I understand the reference to Apple. If the Pixels are wildly successful they will still make almost no impact on the iPhone market share. That's for Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG etc to do. I genuinely don't know where you are going with that. Google and Apple are barely in the same markets. Primarily, one sells advertising and services and the other sells hardware. 25 minutes ago, blandy said: Big business doesn't care about making (more) money is not something I see written down very often. Indeed, and I didn't say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 5, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 minute ago, limpid said: Google and Apple are barely in the same markets. Primarily, one sells advertising and services and the other sells hardware. At the moment... see my post above. 2 minutes ago, limpid said: Indeed, and I didn't say that. You implied it, clearly - "they don't care how many they sell" - the more they sell the more money they'll make, so yes, of course they care - they want to make more money. Not caring how many they sell would be the opposite of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted October 5, 2016 Administrator Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 minute ago, blandy said: You implied it, clearly - "they don't care how many they sell" - the more they sell the more money they'll make, so yes, of course they care - they want to make more money. Not caring how many they sell would be the opposite of that. I don't understand that leap. They might be selling them at a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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