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  1. 1. Are these racist?

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I voted no.

Actually though, considering there are no white ones, no yellow ones, no paler brown ones, then clearly, the ethnic balance of the small wooden carved figures is totally non-pc. It is essential that all mantlepiece displays of little wooden figures conform to government policy (and they should all have ID cards, or face expulsion to the cupboard under the stairs).

:lol:

Looks like I'm getting a bit of pasting here :nod:

Someone else voted yes. Help me out here whoever you are! :cry:

I have not voted, as i am undecided.

they certainly have negative and racist connotations and stereotypes attached to them, but i can't see that picture well enough to see if is in itself racist.

I didn't find the gollywogs on that Jam they used to sell racist as a kid.

I think it's not gollywog dolls themselves that are racist, but what they portray, and what they are associated with, that can be the problem.

A doll of a black man, in itself, is not racist. If it accentuates certain physical charcteristics associated with Black men as subservient, slaves or fools, then it could well be racist.

I'm undecided. A cop out, I know. :|

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I'd love to comment, but the lense flare makes it impossible to actually see them. At the moment I'm convinced the one on the left has a massive cock which seems to be swung over his shoulder, which is clearly a stereotype.

This thread reminded me of an experiment I saw once though, where they had a table with a black and a white doll on, and got children to pick which doll they'd rather play with, and near enough all of them (including the black children) picked the white one. There was another one as well that asked questions on which doll was nice, pretty, etc, and every one of the black kids connected good things with the white doll, and bad things with the black one.

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Not racist to me but the owner should be arrested for crimes against taste .. assuming they are made from wood then a tree died in vain

what purpose did the tree fail to achieve before dying in vain :winkold:

( aside from: living a bit longer )

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For what it's worth I don't think the figures in the original post are racist. They are simplistic representations of an African / Caribbean person but don't convey any particular negative stereotype (Africans DO have frizzy hair and are by and large proud of it so why should it be negative?)

However, in my view gollywogs most definitely ARE racist because they convey negative steretypes about Afro / Caribbean people by emphasising big red lips etc in the tradition of the black & white minstrels etc...

Just my opinion. To me anything that perpetuates an exaggerated steretype about someone's racial or ethnic background is racist because it is essentially prejudicial - whether subliminally or consciously it conditions preconceptions about people of a certain race.

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Of course they're not racist

Are you training to be a journalist for the Socialist Workers Party? :-)

:lol: no mate.

I was actually asking the OP :-)

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Of course they're not racist

Are you training to be a journalist for the Socialist Workers Party? :-)

:lol: no mate.

I was actually asking the OP :-)

Fair dos. And there's me thinking you were taking an interest in my fledgling (non-existant) writing career.

I've been thinking about this on the drive home and realise I've gone off on one a little bit about Golliwogs, when in fact, like Ponky says, the OP doesn't really show one and therefore doesn't perpetuate the stereotype that I got a bee in my bonnet about.

Which makes me wrong to have said yes. Ho hum.

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I've just past a medical including an eye test so I need to change my laptop screen! Three pages of discussion on something I can't make out!

I think I can see a pig in a fluffy wig holding a petrol pump (could be dildo). Is there an 'ist' against petrol pump attendants?

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I voted "no". An inanimate object cannot in itself be "racist", only a person can. So, for example, a small child playing with a gollywog doll is harmless. But if an adult waves the gollywog doll at the child and says "This is a nigger, we hate them", that's racist.

I agree.

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I don't find this picture racist:

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and yet, somehow, this one does not sit that well with me ...

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How about this one?

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Or this little number from an 1894 English children's book

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I voted "no". An inanimate object cannot in itself be "racist", only a person can. So, for example, a small child playing with a gollywog doll is harmless. But if an adult waves the gollywog doll at the child and says "This is a nigger, we hate them", that's racist.

I agree.

Me too.

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