Summer Transfer Window (2024/25)

[paul514]

1 hour ago, John said:

Hasn't UE said that we won't need to sell our best players and why would we have zero net spending, if we have income coming in through a potential league 4th/5th finish, and CL qualification?

Players may come and go during the next window, but they are likely to be players that we are willing to let go or the odd one that having worked to achieve CL qualification, might then choose to jump ship rather than actually want to play for us in the CL next season. 

I think that our big hitters will be happy to stick around for at least one more season, assuming that we have exceeded our pre-season objectives by qualifying for the CL. I also consider that our owners won't hesitate to back UE and Monchi in getting their targets to the club. I for one, would prefer to focus on who those players will be, rather than on who we would be prepared to sell. We are not a selling club, after all. Our best players are not for sale, simples!

A zero net spend is different to zero FFP room

FFP room could be made by making an amortised profit on a player.

So selling an academy player is Ramsey for 60m is pure profit but say you sold Diaby for 35m you would make a small FFP loss as his fee would have only amortised for one year and therefore still couldn’t spend 

Our best players, in fact all our players are for sale. I don’t think you understand the updated FFP rules and how massive our difference is in revenue to the clubs we are trying to compete with is. 
 

We have no choice but to trade players for profits to try and compete financially, that isn’t an opinion it is fact.

Edited February 19 by paul514

[zab6359]

12 hours ago, foreveryoung said:

We won't be selling players, unless we get huge money offers.

We are on our way now, last thing Emery will wanna do is supper next season lby losing our big name players.

 

I don't think there is anything more nailed on than that we will be selling players come the summer, if we don't we won't be shopping in the right price bracket to improve the team sign of the times with FFP unfortunately. Teams don't progress by keeping the same group of players.

[Villaphan04]

2 hours ago, John said:

We are not a selling club, after all. Our best players are not for sale, simples!

in this new era of Profit & Sustainability FFP (& the new rules coming in), no club can afford to have that mindset. Man City do it each summer, consistently revolving their squad. Spurs were able to spend a ton due to the Kane sale. Man United & Arsenal haven't had a lot of major sales in the last few years and they are constricted with spending because of it (Arsenal did sell a few in the past summer, though). 

[John]

59 minutes ago, paul514 said:

A zero net spend is different to zero FFP room

FFP room could be made by making an amortised profit on a player.

So selling an academy player is Ramsey for 60m is pure profit but say you sold Diaby for 35m you would make a small FFP loss as his fee would have only amortised for one year and therefore still couldn’t spend 

Our best players, in fact all our players are for sale. I don’t think you understand the updated FFP rules and how massive our difference is in revenue to the clubs we are trying to compete with is. 
 

We have no choice but to trade players for profits to try and compete financially, that isn’t an opinion it is fact.

I appreciate the above and I'm aware that selling an academy player is good for PSR (that is why we did it in the summer). Players will leave, but they will be the players that the club decides that it is right to let go. That will add to the increased revenue that we would get from our higher league placing and CL qualification, that would in turn increase the money the club would be able to spend on wages/transfers. It shouldn't end up with us having to sell the likes of say a Douglas or an Emi or even a home grown Ramsey (if we consider doing so would ultimately weaken us). It is all about maintaining the usual suspects elite position and preventing upstarts like us from crashing their party. As a club we need to find a way around that system and that is what the club will be looking to do, rather than to sell our best players to clubs that we will be competing with, making them stronger and ourselves less of a problem for them.  

[Zatman]

I think Cash is the player we will try sell in the summer. In the crazy Premier League market we could get 20-25 million for him. Maybe 5-10 million or so for Archer. Then Coutinho, Digne and Dendoncker wages gone with Sanson plus our loan signings returning

[paul514]

10 minutes ago, John said:

I appreciate the above and I'm aware that selling an academy player is good for PSR (that is why we did it in the summer). Players will leave, but they will be the players that the club decides that it is right to let go. That will add to the increased revenue that we would get from our higher league placing and CL qualification, that would in turn increase the money the club would be able to spend on wages/transfers. It shouldn't end up with us having to sell the likes of say a Douglas or an Emi or even a home grown Ramsey (if we consider doing so would ultimately weaken us). It is all about maintaining the usual suspects elite position and preventing upstarts like us from crashing their party. As a club we need to find a way around that system and that is what the club will be looking to do, rather than to sell our best players to clubs that we will be competing with, making them stronger and ourselves less of a problem for them.  

I don’t get how if you understand what I said how you think we will get around that fact other than selling players.

yea if we get in the CL it will be worth 25-50m for next season but costs will go up, there will be clauses in players contracts for higher wages for example.

If the budget is near zero for FFP now then you are talking about it maybe being 20m so an 80m spend if the players are on 4 year deals.

[paul514]

2 minutes ago, Zatman said:

I think Cash is the player we will try sell in the summer. In the crazy Premier League market we could get 20-25 million for him. Maybe 5-10 million or so for Archer. Then Coutinho, Digne and Dendoncker wages gone with Sanson plus our loan signings returning

I’d sell him too.

archer has already been sold.

[Zatman]

2 minutes ago, paul514 said:

I’d sell him too.

archer has already been sold.

We apparently have an automatic buy back if Sheffield United go down

[John]

9 minutes ago, paul514 said:

I don’t get how if you understand what I said how you think we will get around that fact other than selling players.

yea if we get in the CL it will be worth 25-50m for next season but costs will go up, there will be clauses in players contracts for higher wages for example.

If the budget is near zero for FFP now then you are talking about it maybe being 20m so an 80m spend if the players are on 4 year deals.

I have agreed that we will sell players, but only the ones that we are prepared to let go. We will still have a % of our income available to spend on players/wages and that amount will be increased by any player sales. I'm not an accountant, but I think that is about right. 

[paul514]

11 minutes ago, John said:

I have agreed that we will sell players, but only the ones that we are prepared to let go. We will still have a % of our income available to spend on players/wages and that amount will be increased by any player sales. I'm not an accountant, but I think that is about right. 

We are prepared to let anyone go for a price, we aren’t talking about selling Watkins for 40m if it were 80m that may be different 

[zab6359]

51 minutes ago, Zatman said:

I think Cash is the player we will try sell in the summer. In the crazy Premier League market we could get 20-25 million for him. Maybe 5-10 million or so for Archer. Then Coutinho, Digne and Dendoncker wages gone with Sanson plus our loan signings returning

I don't think there is much of a profit to made on Cash tbh! Yes hopefully the others you list will be moved on but there will be at least one player the fanbase don't want to move on go, hopefully not DL but one of the older players.

[foreveryoung]

2 hours ago, zab6359 said:

I don't think there is anything more nailed on than that we will be selling players come the summer, if we don't we won't be shopping in the right price bracket to improve the team sign of the times with FFP unfortunately. Teams don't progress by keeping the same group of players.

The cash's maybe, not the Luiz's

You last sentence is rubbish. You build on what you've got!

[Mic09]

10 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

The cash's maybe, not the Luiz's

You last sentence is rubbish. You build on what you've got!

Or you build on what you can get. 

Luiz is worth £80m+. Ramsey is worth £50m.

If we can get a ''Pau Torres'' of a midfielder in place of one of those, and it makes financial sense to do so, it's worth it.

Players are assets to clubs. Their value is represented on the pitch, or in the check book of another club. 

I'd rather we keep top players. But it's feasible to sell and go forward. 

[GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS]

I’d try and sell Cash, Carlos, Archer (post buy-back), Dendonker (hopefully to Napoli as part of the option they’ve got). And send Zaniolo back.

That’s ideally £50m in old school money (I know it’s all about amortisation now).

Get a refund on Diaby, get the Williams brothers in and hey presto!

[MrBlack]

Players we could still and make decent profit on, starting from the back:

• Martinez
• Konsa
• Kamara
• Luiz
• McGinn
• Ramsey
• Watkins

Bailey, Diaby, and Pau have high residual values so sellling them would give much more limited scope for profit, although if Bailey maintains this form and stays fit he could be worth so much to make his residual value irrelevant.

Cash, Carlos, and Digne won't fetch us much.

Of the list, the one I'd be most comfortable selling is Kamara. Based solely on his injury record. However, for the same reason, I suspect we won't be selling him this window as he'll still be injured.  Can also rule our Mings and Buendia for sales this summer.

The players listed are all key to how we play, and I'd be loathe to lose any of them, but Emi, Luiz, and Watkins are the most irreplaceable for me.

So I'd be considering offers for McGinn and Konsa if we're looking to make profit and not being sentimental. McGinn's value will rapidly start to plummet at his age, but I guess ideally we'd try to keep him for another year. Konsa is the most saleable asset of the defence, and although he's fulfilling his potential now, I think we could replace him. I'd keep Ramsey to help us have a bigger squad for the champions league.

There says we can make this summer that will be sad, but I'll be able to see the positive side to with the right mindset.  Martinez, Luiz or Watkins goes and I'm struggling. 

[AshVilla]

Dendoncker has played like 11 mins for Napoli since he's gone there.

I don't think they will be taking him on permanently.

[duke313]

42 minutes ago, AshVilla said:

Dendoncker has played like 11 mins for Napoli since he's gone there.

I don't think they will be taking him on permanently.

They’ve just sacked their manager, things might change in a month

[Pongo Waring]

Any reason why everyone is flogging our players off in here?

[HanoiVillan]

5 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said:

Any reason why everyone is flogging our players off in here?

We are apparently due to reveal one of the biggest losses in history in our accounts in the next week or two. 

[Kiwivillan]

27 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said:

Any reason why everyone is flogging our players off in here?

So we have money to sign more flops