foreveryoung Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Just now, Strog said: Knighted for being a failure. That’s about right and sums the Country up! The media don't see it that way, he's a fu***ing legend tp them. Southgate just said, it was difficult on that pitch anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, villa89 said: Money. You get paid a fortune to work as a part manager. The qualification phase for tournaments is also a procession so effectively you've 2 months work every two years. Nah its gone, there's 1 maybe 2 top managers in international football The likes of west ham if they got rid of moyes next summer would be paying as much as england And the part time thing is a negative, means they don't spend enough time with the players to make it work, I dont think unai, klopp, pep etc would be good international managers, they can't live it day to day in the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: The media don't see it that way, he's a fu***ing legend tp them. Southgate just said, it was difficult on that pitch anyway. Yeah that's it "failure" he's probably close to being our most successful manager in terms of tournaments (without winning obviously) win, percentages, all sorts of stats that don't involve watching his football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted November 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: Nah its gone, there's 1 maybe 2 top managers in international football The likes of west ham if they got rid of moyes next summer would be paying as much as england And the part time thing is a negative, means they don't spend enough time with the players to make it work, I dont think unai, klopp, pep etc would be good international managers, they can't live it day to day in the same way You don't need a good 'coach' to manage an international side, just be a good judge of skill and a good tactician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: I could see him taking over from Woy at Palace next summer after the tournament. Then he'll get them relegated, and disappear up the arse of the FA You know what, now that I think of it I wouldn't be surprised if Poch eventually goes and Waistcoat takes Chelsea. I think that's how mad the owners are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Mic09 said: You know what, now that I think of it I wouldn't be surprised if Poch eventually goes and Waistcoat takes Chelsea. I think that's how mad the owners are. That would be a thing of beauty! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: FA will want Howe, if he don't leave Newcastle, Potter, I'd have DiZerbi all day long. The next England manager will be Frank Lampard. He is a big name for the media and casual fans, doesnt have much baggage and has Premier League experience even if it wasnt very good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Just now, Zatman said: The next England manager will be Frank Lampard. He is a big name for the media and casual fans, doesnt have much baggage and has Premier League experience even if it wasnt very good Gerrard when he comes back from Saudi more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, HKP90 said: You don't need a good 'coach' to manage an international side, just be a good judge of skill and a good tactician. I think it's more motivation, you need nous to set the team up in the right way, the right players at the right time in the right positions but after that just get them happy, fire them up and send them out there At best Southgate's England were just kick and rush, they were never tactically sound* or good in central midfield I actually redknapp would have been alright for England, never the best coach but I think the players would have played with a smile and at least wanted to be there *I'll give him the set pieces in 2018,not sure why that disappeared, we nailed them in that tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: Gerrard when he comes back from Saudi more like. If Gerrard didnt go to Saudi he would have been a contender too. Southgate was in a similar position to both of them when he got hired 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted November 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: I think it's more motivation, you need nous to set the team up in the right way, the right players at the right time in the right positions but after that just get them happy, fire them up and send them out there At best Southgate's England were just kick and rush, they were never tactically sound* or good in central midfield I actually redknapp would have been alright for England, never the best coach but I think the players would have played with a smile and at least wanted to be there *I'll give him the set pieces in 2018,not sure why that disappeared, we nailed them in that tournament I agree. Plus, we could perfect set pieces by aiming them at his head. He's always super happy when pelted in jest by errant crosses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Can you imagine having this front 6 and making them so impotent? Saka. Bellingham. Rice. Grealish Foden Kane 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Judging by tonight's performance, no one could accuse England of having a surplus of players worthy of a cap. The unforced-error count was beyond belief and the referee had a pretty high score of his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted November 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2023 Just now, Adman said: Can you imagine having this front 6 and making them so impotent? Saka. Bellingham. Rice. Grealish Foden Kane Incredible isn't it. That setup should win everything in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted November 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2023 Those few who were defending Southgate the other day as some kind of genius, go and give your heads a wobble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Incredible isn't it. That setup should win everything in football. Should be set up to win every game 4-3 Instead we're going for the old Steve Bruce / Steven Gerrard hybrid snatch a 1-0 with a moment of magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 On 17/11/2023 at 20:10, MachoFantastico said: Surprised Rashford is playing, he's been awful for United this season. Maguire is the big problem. The sooner he's out the better. Sure he can hear a ball, but he can't play out. All the top teams in Europe play out. All forward play starts from him and he just can't do it. The difference between him and Pau is lightyears Every time Maguire tried a forward pass an angel gets gonhorrea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, TheAuthority said: I could see him taking over from Woy at Palace next summer after the tournament. Then he'll get them relegated, and disappear up the arse of the FA He's a Prime lubed dildo for his level in Saudi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Gave credit where it was due after the Italy game, but this was a very deflating international break. Hard to motivate players when the job is clearly already done, but that seems like all the more reason to be a bit more bold in selection and tactics, give players individual targets to achieve and I don't see much evidence of that apart from Trent (who seems to have flubbed the midfield audition anyway). Poor treatment of Konsa as well, and all the more infuriating when you see Maguire just shoving a guy over in the area after falling over his feet, after gifting the ball away with a howler of a pass. When he's bad he's an absolute **** carthorse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, foreveryoung said: The like of Crystal Palace would take him. He's got a good rep within the media circles. What's his top flight club credentials? 13th and relegated. No serious PL club owner should go near him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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