andykeenan Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Euro 2024 qualifiers England v Malta Friday 17 November 7.45pm North Macedonia v England Monday 20 November 7.45pm Both on Channel 4 The squad Goalkeepers: Sam Johnstone (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Arsenal) Defenders: Levi Colwill (Chelsea), Lewis Dunk (Brighton & Hove Albion), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace), Harry Maguire (Manchester United), Fikayo Tomori (AC Milan), Kieran Trippier (Newcastle United), Kyle Walker (Manchester City) Midfielders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Conor Gallagher (Chelsea), Jordan Henderson (Al-Ettifaq), Kalvin Phillips (Manchester City), Declan Rice (Arsenal) Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham United) Phil Foden (Manchester City), Jack Grealish (Manchester City), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), James Maddison (Tottenham Hotspur), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa), Callum Wilson (Newcastle United) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 9, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2023 southgate out pleased for ollie though, even though he's not going to play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Whys he called up players which are doubts I mean what's the actual point. Also is Connor Gallagher the new Mason Mount? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Two annoyances: one, please stop picking Henderson, it's beyond a joke. And two, there's really no English LB you'd like to take a look at, even against Malta and North Macedonia? Otherwise, that plus Stones and Shaw is probably the Euros squad I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Ramsdale, Maguire, Gallagher, Henderson, Phillips, Grealish, Rashford all poor picks IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, KAZZAM said: Whys he called up players which are doubts I mean what's the actual point. Also is Connor Gallagher the new Mason Mount? And if they pull out he won't even replace them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Another call up for a mid table Saudi League midfielder Ashley Westwood in the MLS has a better reason to deserve a call up 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Two annoyances: one, please stop picking Henderson, it's beyond a joke. And two, there's really no English LB you'd like to take a look at, even against Malta and North Macedonia? Otherwise, that plus Stones and Shaw is probably the Euros squad I guess. This is one of my biggest gripes. Already qualified and playing 2 favourable opponents. Just stop being so safe and boring. There should be several players he at least wants a closer look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, villan95 said: This is one of my biggest gripes. Already qualified and playing 2 favourable opponents. Just stop being so safe and boring. There should be several players he at least wants a closer look at. TBH I get why he doesn't do much of it. There's only a very limited amount of time left before the tournament and he wants to make sure he maximises the time the players he knows he wants to take get to spend playing with each other. There's not much point picking people who definitely won't be getting on the plane. The one exception I'd make right now is LB, where presumably he'll play Trippier against Macedonia, and Colwill OOP against Malta. But it doesn't seem fair to Colwill to make his England appearances in a position he's not great at, and it doesn't get the best out of Trippier either. He's not going to take Tyrick Mitchell to the tournament - we know Shaw and Chilwell will go, if fit - but he's capped Mitchell twice before so why not just balance the defence with someone who's actually a position specialist and then let other players play where they're more comfortable. Edited November 9, 2023 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: TBH I get why he doesn't do much of it. There's only a very limited amount of time left before the tournament and he wants to make sure he maximises the time the players he knows he wants to take get to spend playing with each other. There's not much point picking people who definitely won't be getting on the plane. The one exception I'd make right now is LB, where presumably he'll play Trippier against Macedonia, and Colwill OOP against Malta. But it doesn't fair to Colwill to make his England appearances in a position he's not great at, and it doesn't get the best out of Trippier either. He's not going to take Tyrick Mitchell to the tournament - we know Shaw and Chilwell will go, if fit - but he's capped Mitchell twice before so why not just balance the defence with someone who's actually a position specialist and then let other players play where they're more comfortable. True but there's a lot of players that have been in the squad such a long time that missing a squad or 2 wouldn't hurt like Maguire, Walker, Trippier, Henderson etc. Also what happens if there's injuries and there is nobody he's seen/trusts enough to come in and replace them. It's a wasted opportunity to test a few different players IMO. There must be a few that are at least on the cusp? Even when there are withdrawals he rarely replaces them! Agreed on LB, I don't know why he doesn't just give Mitchell another go considering he's capped him before. Or dare I say Dan Burn deserves a chance. Shame Rico Henry got injured as he'd surely deserve a chance by now. Edited November 9, 2023 by villan95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Was going to comment. Can’t be arsed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 That squad was as predicable! Henderson again, I am off to play for the dog and duck to earn my call up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted November 9, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2023 I said it many time. But Colwill would not be in here if he was playing for Aston Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Southgate needs to have 1 or 2 WTF inclusions in every squad because of pure stubbornness and nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Really pleased for Watkins, he's earned his opportunity to watch Kane play leftback 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 5 hours ago, villan95 said: Ramsdale, Maguire, Gallagher, Henderson, Phillips, Grealish, Rashford all poor picks IMO. Grealish?? What you been drinking.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 43 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Grealish?? What you been drinking.. Doesn't play regularly any more and is a shadow of the player he was 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, villan95 said: Doesn't play regularly any more and is a shadow of the player he was But in all seriousness is there another English player in his position either playing at a higher level or out performing him? My only issue with the squad is the midfield, he's not even trying to look past Henderson and phillips, we'll need the quality of rice and Bellingham to carry whoever the 3rd player is in there, really disappointing especially as the middle has been a problem for so long Edited November 9, 2023 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 7 hours ago, villa4europe said: But in all seriousness is there another English player in his position either playing at a higher level or out performing him? My only issue with the squad is the midfield, he's not even trying to look past Henderson and phillips, we'll need the quality of rice and Bellingham to carry whoever the 3rd player is in there, really disappointing especially as the middle has been a problem for so long Surely 2 of Foden, Maddison, Saka, Bowen either side of Kane is enough? But could argue Gordon and Gibbs-White are more deserving of call ups at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 he'll flirt with 3 behind kane for the malta game Kane grealish - foden - saka Bellingham - rice we should score 10 gordon id agree im surprised he hasn't looked at him although ultimately i don't think he's good enough, gibbs white he definitely should have looked at in the middle and I'm also surprised elliot or jones haven't had a look, at least with JJ's injury i don't have to get pissed off about him not getting a chance as it is 8 months before the euros he has no contingency plan against henderson's continuing decline or phillips getting more splinters in his ass - maybe the silver lining is that if we go in to the tournament with only 2 capable CMs he will be forced to finally play 3 behind kane as his main formation 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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