chrisp65 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, bickster said: It doesn’t work now either. There is no perfect solution, looking for one is a futile exercise This is the lecture I’ve had off my other half. She deals with this shit day in and day out and has just given me a few ‘working examples’ of what they are currently dealing with. But she’s absolutely strongly of the opinion that just repeating ‘18’ or ‘16’ as a blanket answer isn’t going to sort anything out and we need to at least try and work something better out. It needs a level of nuance that government is pretty much incapable of. There’s a core of men out there looking for an angle an edge and the opportunity to exploit. Perhaps what we need (and this is my thought, not hers) is something approaching the half plus seven rule but made law in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 9 hours ago, villan-scott said: Piers Morgan would love it to be Dan Walker. He’s got some weird vendetta against him. Didn’t he leave the bbc some time ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Maybe it could be done like boxing on weight and height? Once a male hits 5ft he starts paying tax, gets a driving licence and can take pictures of his nob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted July 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, desensitized43 said: Didn’t he leave the bbc some time ago? I have no idea to be honest. Very rarely watch BBC and never watch BBC Breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, villan-scott said: I have no idea to be honest. Very rarely watch BBC and never watch BBC Breakfast. He left a few months back, I wouldn’t have cared but there was a bit of a fuss made about it in the media for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: He left a few months back, I wouldn’t have cared but there was a bit of a fuss made about it in the media for some reason. Well if it was designed to give Piers Morgan an early morning embolism it failed but good plan anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 hours ago, chrisp65 said: Perhaps what we need (and this is my thought, not hers) is something approaching the half plus seven rule but made law in some way. This sounds reasonable on the surface when considering it in the context of a 16/17/18 year old, but at some point veers into "nanny state" territory. I don't think it's the government's place to tell 26 year olds that they can't sleep with a 40 year old. We do already have this kind of grey area of a sliding age of consent when it comes to, I think, statutory rape not usually being considered an offence between two people below the age of consent, so an aoc of 18, that essentially means people over 18 can't be shagging 16 year olds, doesn't seem so bad, as long as we're not criminalising a pair of 17 year olds going at it, because criminalising that is helping nobody. Generally, I think a hard cut off at some point, be that 16/18 is ok with adequate enforcement of things like grooming laws, and an average 18 year old with capacity should be free to make an informed but unwise decision. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: This sounds reasonable on the surface when considering it in the context of a 16/17/18 year old, but at some point veers into "nanny state" territory. I don't think it's the government's place to tell 26 year olds that they can't sleep with a 40 year old. We do already have this kind of grey area of a sliding age of consent when it comes to, I think, statutory rape not usually being considered an offence between two people below the age of consent, so an aoc of 18, that essentially means people over 18 can't be shagging 16 year olds, doesn't seem so bad, as long as we're not criminalising a pair of 17 year olds going at it, because criminalising that is helping nobody. Generally, I think a hard cut off at some point, be that 16/18 is ok with adequate enforcement of things like grooming laws, and an average 18 year old with capacity should be free to make an informed but unwise decision. Remembering back to when I was at school in that final year (20 years ago - I feel old!) there was a running thing when people were turning 16 at the various times in that year of "oh you're legal now" "you're not legal" "if person x **** person y they were going to jail" - even though you know no one in the country would think it was appropriate to prosecute a 16 year old for having sex with a 15 year old in the same year at school. Could you not just go "if you're at school, you're off limits to people older than school age" I do get the motivation to "protect" younger people - mainly girls - from creepy older blokes but at what point does it become "you can't be trusted to not get coerced into something you'll look back on and regret so we need to make this law to protect you from yourself". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted July 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2023 I can't see how the above suggestions can work - you are one month older than your girlfriend, but a school year higher. You leave school first and can now technically get prosecuted for something that was perfectly fine the previous year? Unfortunately I think this is one of those where no matter how the law is worded it's just always going to boil down to some kind of common sense being applied by the authorities to sort out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2023 11 hours ago, fruitvilla said: I am not sure of your point here. My point was to debunk the idea that Britain has a puritanical Christian mindset I invoked Islamic states as an example of what hangups about sex really look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Lichfield Dean said: I can't see how the above suggestions can work - you are one month older than your girlfriend, but a school year higher. You leave school first and can now technically get prosecuted for something that was perfectly fine the previous year? Unfortunately I think this is one of those where no matter how the law is worded it's just always going to boil down to some kind of common sense being applied by the authorities to sort out. No I get that there's got to be some kind of common sense/nuance here when it comes to young people dating young people. When I started working at a company in 2013 I was sent out on a site visit to a customer with a colleague to shadow them and we were passing a school in the car and he turned to me and made a remark on how attractive a young lady was - she was in a school uniform - I said something like "she's in a **** uniform, dude!" in a pisstake kind of way calling him a nonce and he said "she could be 16, it's fine". I just think when you've got a case of someone in a school uniform 16 or not it's pretty grim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, villan-scott said: Piers Morgan would love it to be Dan Walker. He’s got some weird vendetta against him. Nope. It's pretty common knowledge who it is. Especially now that pic has spread like wild fire online. I just scratch my head with all the sites out there where he could have exchanged pics with someone in a pretty discreet environmen, that he'd pay £35K for pics?! I'm guessing it was to keep the lad quiet?! Edited July 10, 2023 by stewiek2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, stewiek2 said: Nope. Its pretty common knowledge who it is. Especially now that pic has spread like wild fire online. I just scratch my head with all the sites out there that he'd pay £35K for pics?! I'm guessing it was to keep the lad quiet?! Oh dear, just searched for the image you mentioned. Now I need a councillor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted July 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Genie said: Oh dear, just searched for the image you mentioned. Now I need a councillor. Anyone could have faked that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted July 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2023 Whoever it is really should come out and say something, they're making it worse for themselves what with all the memes etc, and the truth will come out anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, villarule123 said: Anyone could have faked that though. With AI and photoshop that’s probably true for everything on the internet now. Fun times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted July 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Genie said: With AI and photoshop that’s probably true for everything on the internet now. Fun times. I saw a video of an AI presidential debate between 'Trump' and 'Biden'. Other than what they were saying to each other, and a pause every now and again when the next dialogue was loading, you can't tell the difference between real and fake. They had the voice and even mannerisms to a tee on the video. Was quite scary to watch really. Edited July 10, 2023 by villarule123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 What's the context of the presenter with his arse out? Isn't he 'allegedly' the one paying someone else for photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Yep just seen the photo...glad I just ate lunch because I wouldn't want it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 ah damn, admittedly, only going off a google search and clicking on a reddit page , but the guy rumoured to be it? Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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