Spoony Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said: Can't blame the fans on this one. Nope. The fans literally voted on the current, better badge. I was never a massive fan of the round badge but right now I’m utterly desperate for it to remain over the Lerner/Heck shield. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Hey… how about this? We’ve got Chelsea in the FA cup 4th round, whoever wins gets the round badge, the loser has to ditch theirs and go with something else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Lion Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Surely Nas and Wes are aware of the fans anger over these decisions regarding both the crest and ground expansion. Hopefully the FA are made aware of Heck’s lies around the FAB consultation and put a stop to this nonsense. Fans will turn quickly if there’s a downturn on the pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 59 minutes ago, Jas10 said: FAB have complained to the FA and, according to Jacob, they are involved now. If he has broken the rules on the necessity for consultation… it won’t happen, it will be blocked. Depends on the specific criteria I guess… fans shouldn’t have to nor be forced to accept anything they are not happy with… there are ways to lodge complaints and authorities that can step in and try and resolve issues, especially if established rules are broken or ignored… This has been covered repeatedly though, the FA signed off on the process before FAB saw the crest. Maybe the club change the design now that they've seen the reaction, but there's no point going round in circles on the FA bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThunderPower_14 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 35 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Not being funny Jas, and I think I've seen it mentioned before. However, I genuinely feel one of the reasons we get shite badges and kits are sometimes a combo of " fan elements demands " and restrictions. As noted, they kinda shot themselves in the foot with the surveys etc. And as other have said, seemed to try and just shoehorn in as many fan requests as possible. Either that, or we just choose really shit ( for us ) agencies simply because they are " big name ". I'm sure there are smaller agencies/designers which would put everything into a project like ours and be honoured. Agree fully with this. We started it back with the Lerner badge and we've been stuck with "design by committee" level badges ever since. Fans theoretically want the full club name, they theoretically want it to be round, they theoretically want it to have the star, they theoretically want it to have 1874. But none of the fans voting are picturing the same badge when voting, and what you end up with is a Homer car where the designer is forced to shoehorn in too much for fear of going against survey results. The fans should be surveyed on feeling, not elements. What do we want the badge to say about us. It's then the designer's job to capture that. Fan consultation should be to provide a broad brief and the final sign off, and nothing in between. Of course, don't change the badge at all if you're not going to do it properly. We should just keep using the Lerner badge if we're going to make some window dressing changes. Its not ideal but at least there's some familiarity. Then do a proper rebrand when you're willing to fund it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 26 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: This has been covered repeatedly though, the FA signed off on the process before FAB saw the crest. Maybe the club change the design now that they've seen the reaction, but there's no point going round in circles on the FA bit Who knows what Heck told the FA. We’ve already established he had lied to the fans so it’s not a reach to suggest that he may have misled the FA. Either way the rules are there to protect heritage assets and it’s obvious to a blind dog that this crest won’t be accepted. If he proceeds to try to launch the crest through arrogance there will be a very public and embarrassing reaction from the fanbase - with complaints to the FA - which it’s going to be very, very difficult for him to come back from. The only realistic option the club has I think considering kit deadlines etc that others have mentioned is to stick with the roundel for another season. If we really can’t live with it then just announce an extended consultation and do it properly and announce it as part of the 150 year celebrations in a far more thoughtful and considered way. Once we have the majority aligned then proceed with the brand refresh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FLVillan Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Jas10 said: More importantly, you can’t ignore and sideline fans and have no real consultation, break or ignore rules, and force a badge on them… we should at least have a say and opinion. No one would have wanted or voted for this badge… It’s all lies… stating that the appeal and popularity of the round badge will be monitored, cancelling it and then forcing this one through without monitoring anything and not even considering what the fans think and have to say on it!! Disgusted by the “leave it to the professionals” line to FAB… basically “shut up” to the fans… embarrassing and shameful when this “new badge” (barely warrants that phrase and is inferior to the original) is all they could come up with… So poor… but hopefully something is being done to remedy this situation now… FAB haven’t taken this lying down and good on them… In my opinion Heck has no understanding whatsoever about English culture or what "fans" really are in football/British culture. In American sports, fans don't have the same vested interest, multi-generational pass-down or local attachment. It's why you'll never hear American fans referred to as "supporters." In English football it is tribal in nature, it is 100% ingrained into people, into families. Even non-sporting types in England know who their local team is... Americans "pick" the team they want to follow and will change if a superstar player moves. Teams themselves relocate to cities thousands of miles away to get a shiny new stadium or to tap into a target population. American fans are "customers" first and are treated as such. I laughed when Heck said he had been quiet for his first six months because he was "learning" about the club and its history etc. Well, he's either a very bad student, or he's completely full of . You can learn Villa's factual/statistical history very quickly with a stadium tour, a few videos and read a book or two. Understanding the history and what makes the club what it is, is whole different prospect. Teams here in the US make changes to logos and color-schemes on a whim with little to no involvement from their fans. For example, when the Patriots changed their shade of blue from royal to navy, the first the fans knew about was when the new gear went on sale just before the season started. The motivation for that change was 100% focused on sales. At the time, royal blue was an unfashionable colour, so the Patriots and the Buffalo Bills both eliminated it and went with navy blue. Heck has made a rod for his own back by completely misreading two massive club decisions that directly affect us. He needs to backtrack, fix and apologize, or he needs to leave. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Emery understands the fans. He gets the need to have them onside and supporting the team at the match. Heck would do well to follow Emery' lead on that. As it is, it very much seems like he is taking the "I'm kind of a big deal and I know better than you" approach. Even if he does, he should be respecting the fans rather than lying to them. Be interesting to see what the FA do. If they approved the approach, they're going to look pretty stupid if they have to backtrack on that (nothing really new there), but if they did it would point to Heck probably having lied to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Well said Mr Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything11 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, MrBlack said: Emery understands the fans. He gets the need to have them onside and supporting the team at the match. Heck would do well to follow Emery' lead on that. As it is, it very much seems like he is taking the "I'm kind of a big deal and I know better than you" approach. Even if he does, he should be respecting the fans rather than lying to them. Be interesting to see what the FA do. If they approved the approach, they're going to look pretty stupid if they have to backtrack on that (nothing really new there), but if they did it would point to Heck probably having lied to them. There are certainly significant cultural differences in sport between the UK and the US - most people who watch both will tell you the same. My hope is that some of the mistakes are down to this. I think its a little early to attribute arrogance when we don't know the full details. No organisation I have ever worked in functioned smoothly on a consistent basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 12 hours ago, HalfTimePost said: This has been covered repeatedly though, the FA signed off on the process before FAB saw the crest. Maybe the club change the design now that they've seen the reaction, but there's no point going round in circles on the FA bit So because Heck lied to the FA about the process, that means it's all ok and the FA won't get involved now they know a bit more of the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 11 hours ago, FLVillan said: Heck has made a rod for his own back by completely misreading two massive club decisions that directly affect us. He needs to backtrack, fix and apologize, or he needs to leave. 2 hours ago, MrBlack said: it very much seems like he is taking the "I'm kind of a big deal and I know better than you" approach. Even if he does, he should be respecting the fans rather than lying to them. 47 minutes ago, Anything11 said: I think its a little early to attribute arrogance when we don't know the full details. No organisation I have ever worked in functioned smoothly on a consistent basis. We all know this is what he does in his previous jobs as well... https://archive.nytimes.com/goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/red-bulls-ax-top-executive/ Quote “I don’t think people really comprehend how much damage he’s done in the little time he’s been there,” one team insider said. He added: “He just came off as arrogant and ignorant, and in this business it’s a very bad combination. He was so arrogant, you just couldn’t talk to him. You don’t have to be a 100 percent soccer guy, able to name all the players on Brazil’s 1970 World Cup-winning team, but you have to have a basic understanding of the sport you’re working in. And that was clearly lacking.” Edited January 9 by ender4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 It's staggering, the negative impact in 6 months. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Have we started with the childish nicknames yet? Chris Feck etc The golden era of VT, for me, was when so much creativity was on show, coming up with names like Lamebert and Lamberk. *chefs kiss* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshVilla Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Don't know if this is real or not, but gives a decent indication. Can't imagine it'd look too different to this: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 ^ Lion looks like a roadkill. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
479Villan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Why do I see two lions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 That looks even worse than the IPO jpeg, **** hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, JoshVilla said: Don't know if this is real or not, but gives a decent indication. Can't imagine it'd look too different to this: Dear me… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, JoshVilla said: Don't know if this is real or not, but gives a decent indication. Can't imagine it'd look too different to this: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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