sne Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just now, useless said: Saudi League isn't going to become a top league just by signing a bunch of players, it's not as easy as that, to become an established top league, you need a proper grassroots and academy system in place, that could happen eventually but by the nature of what's required for it to happen it would taken years and years to set up, probably decades at least, it's not something that can be bought in an instance. People trying to compare Saudi league now to how top division in England was before it became the Premier League, but that doesn't make sense, even before it became the Premier League and all the money came in, England's uppermost division was already one of the top leagues in Europe with some of the best players in Europe, and producing European champions, it had been in existence for 100 years to get to that point. Saudi league wil remain low quality for a good while yet, at best each summer it will attract a bunch of players with star quality and that will mean people watch it, but in terms of quaity it's not going to be a threat to the top leagues in Europe. The aim isn't to make the Saudi league the best in the world. It's to have a number of big name Saudi clubs who get to compete in the Super League and to break up the structure of European football. FIFA very much loves this idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: The money being spent look at the wages And i bet the two clubs who benwfit the most will be newcastle and chelsea whether thata buying back players eg neves for cheaper or selling unwanted players to theie saudi clubs for over inflated fees to keep with FFP But PL clubs already spends more on wages than most other teams in Europe, what’s the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmix Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, useless said: Saudi League isn't going to become a top league just by signing a bunch of players, it's not as easy as that, to become an established top league, you need a proper grassroots and academy system in place, that could happen eventually but by the nature of what's required for it to happen it would taken years and years to set up, probably decades at least, it's not something that can be bought in an instance. People trying to compare Saudi league now to how top division in England was before it became the Premier League, but that doesn't make sense, even before it became the Premier League and all the money came in, England's uppermost division was already one of the top leagues in Europe with some of the best players in Europe, and producing European champions, it had been in existence for 100 years to get to that point. Saudi league wil remain low quality for a good while yet, at best each summer it will attract a bunch of players with star quality and that will mean people watch it, but in terms of quaity it's not going to be a threat to the top leagues in Europe. This is true. I mean, the players going there are hardly going to be busting a gut every match. It's basically a glorified exhibition league with no history or heritage. It's a league devoid of dreams and non-monetary desires. It's not even a tinpot league; it's a despot league. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, duke313 said: But PL clubs already spends more on wages than most other teams in Europe, what’s the difference? Its not remotely the same When do city sign chelsea rejects for huge amounts to help chelsea with FFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Its not remotely the same When do city sign chelsea rejects for huge amounts to help chelsea with FFP? Your original comment wasn’t about buying Chelsea rejects, it’s was about buying the best players in the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, duke313 said: Your original comment wasn’t about buying Chelsea rejects, it’s was about buying the best players in the world. Whixh links to the 2nd part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 28 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Its not remotely the same When do city sign chelsea rejects for huge amounts to help chelsea with FFP? We outpowered a Champions League club in Marseille and a recent Spanish league winner to sign Kamara when we barely just avoided a relegation scrap Premier League is as bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just now, Zatman said: We outpowered a Champions League club in Marseille and a recent Spanish league winner to sign Kamara when we barely just avoided a relegation scrap Premier League is as bad Are we? Can we offer unlimited wages and bonuses without repercussions of FFP? Does that exist in the saudi league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Are we? Can we offer unlimited wages and bonuses without repercussions of FFP? Does that exist in the saudi league? The wages we can offer might as well be unlimited compared to most other teams and Leagues in Europe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Top players wanting to play for us isn't comparable to top players going to Saudi, for a start we play in the best or one of the very best leagues in the world and by best I mean quality wise, many top players will want to come for that reason alone, and we ourselves as a club despite recent years are still considered one of the top clubs to play for, not saying as big as the elite clubs of course, but in the grand scheme of things we're still one of the better clubs a player can find himself at, a footballer signing for us will play at top stadium, play alongside other good players not just a few, but compared to Saudi teams an whole squads worth, and will play against very good opposition each week, will also be playing for one of the best managers in Europe. My point is is that Kamara signing for us is in no way comparable to say Neves going to Saudi, we have so much more to offer Kamara other than money, whereas Saudi league has money only. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, duke313 said: The wages we can offer might as well be unlimited compared to most other teams and Leagues in Europe. They are not though. If you look atbour wage bill it wont be as crazy as what the saudi clubs will be offering their players. Their clubs could offer 400-500k a week. We probably have 5 players who earn that amount! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blunther Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 hours ago, sne said: The aim isn't to make the Saudi league the best in the world. It's to have a number of big name Saudi clubs who get to compete in the Super League and to break up the structure of European football. FIFA very much loves this idea. I mean if clubs like Man City and Newcastle end up **** off to play in some arsehole league in some arsehole country somewhere, then I'd find that quite funny. Let all the glory hunting lads in other countries go and support their favourite player in the Saudi Super league or whatever, and we'll get on with the proper football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, blunther said: I mean if clubs like Man City and Newcastle end up **** off to play in some arsehole league in some arsehole country somewhere, then I'd find that quite funny. Let all the glory hunting lads in other countries go and support their favourite player in the Saudi Super league or whatever, and we'll get on with the proper football. I imagine the idea will be to replace the CL kinda. Keep playing in the national leagues while also play in a closed super league with invited clubs featuring a few Saudi and maybe Qatari clubs competing for the £1b or whatever first price. Games played in Saudi Arabia and whoever want's to pay to see Barca vs Manure. No FFP and infinite money. Too much money and influence for anyone to oppose. TV money for the PL will be pretty much nothing if the big clubs bugger off so they will be allowed to have the cake and eat it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: They are not though. If you look atbour wage bill it wont be as crazy as what the saudi clubs will be offering their players. Their clubs could offer 400-500k a week. We probably have 5 players who earn that amount! Reminder that David De Gea earns £375k a week. De Bryune earns £425k a week. We don't pay anywhere near as much as that, but the PL has collectively been buying football for years. A relegation battling team in the PL can go toe to toe with some of the top teams in Europe when it comes to wages. There's all kinds of reasons to not like what the Saudis are doing but "they're going to steal all the best players by being bale to pay them more" is hilarious coming from fans of the PL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Has a bit of an IPL vibe about it which I dont think is sustainable in football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, sne said: TV money for the PL will be pretty much nothing if the big clubs bugger off so they will be allowed to have the cake and eat it. Money pouring out of the English game, broadcasters having less of a stranglehold so more games at Saturday, 3pm, average PL players not being multi millionaires at 21 and less interest in the game from plastic fans? If interest falls off enough, they might even have to put ticket prices down. Sounds lovely. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: They are not though. If you look atbour wage bill it wont be as crazy as what the saudi clubs will be offering their players. Their clubs could offer 400-500k a week. We probably have 5 players who earn that amount! Yes, but compare our wage bill to Vitoria for example, or a random Dutch or Belgian team, ours is astronomical compared to theirs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Son has ruled out a move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Our league is the best league in the world precisely because we hoovered up all the best talent from the other leagues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I’m really not too concerned, as has been mentioned, other leagues have tried this approach and it’s not really worked out long term. One thing money cannot buy is culture, after a year or two of playing in front of soulless crowds for soulless trophies it’ll start to hit home and the allure will wear thin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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