Popular Post briny_ear Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 13/10/2023 at 22:47, MrBlack said: Came on with 26 minutes to go with Belgium 3-0 up against Austria. It finished 3-2. Onana did get sent off before their second, but suspect he didn't do his international chances any favors. Austria’s first goal came as a result of Doku getting turned over in midfield. The as you say Onana got sent off. Second came from a penalty given for a handball by Theate. So obvs Tielemans would take the blame for all that. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisvilla4 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Not really got into the groove yet has he? I trust Unai to do the right thing by him whatever the outcome. I hope it works out for him and us and we all benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Austria’s first goal came as a result of Doku getting turned over in midfield. The as you say Onana got sent off. Second came from a penalty given for a handball by Theate. So obvs Tielemans would take the blame for all that. I wasnt saying he'd take the blame, but doubt he's come out of it better than he went in. At a wholistic level, the manager made some changes and the team wilted. He was part of the team that lost the portion of the game he was on for 2-0. Obviously, if their manager is better than Southgate, they won't look at things so high level, but he was on the pitch when the rest of the team started failing. Is he likely to be entirely blameless? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, MrBlack said: I wasnt saying he'd take the blame, but doubt he's come out of it better than he went in. At a wholistic level, the manager made some changes and the team wilted. He was part of the team that lost the portion of the game he was on for 2-0. Obviously, if their manager is better than Southgate, they won't look at things so high level, but he was on the pitch when the rest of the team started failing. Is he likely to be entirely blameless? He nearly scored a couple of minutes after coming on, combining nicely with Lukaku, so it wasn’t all negative for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, briny_ear said: He nearly scored a couple of minutes after coming on, combining nicely with Lukaku, so it wasn’t all negative for him. Was that the blocked effort? It was decent build up play, but as has been the case all season got us, the end product lacked. Enough negativity from me though... The fact he is still getting selected does mean he's still in their eye line, and hopefully he can take some comfort from the fact he's still getting minutes for them despite not getting many for us. I'd love that to give him some confidence and start showing some of what he's capable of for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 He starts tonight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Is already been criticised for his performance so far tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 39 minutes ago, Zatman said: Is already been criticised for his performance so far tonight Where are you seeing this? He had another blocked shot, but can't find anywhere showing it to see if it was another example of making the wrong choice or a genuine decent block. Won a free kick. Hasn't done a great deal else according to the limited live text I've got access to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I saw people commenting online, he probably should have done better for the goal at halfway Game looks abandoned now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rodders0223 Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 Game abandoned. Tielemans' fault 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 hours ago, MrBlack said: I wasnt saying he'd take the blame, but doubt he's come out of it better than he went in. At a wholistic level, the manager made some changes and the team wilted. He was part of the team that lost the portion of the game he was on for 2-0. Obviously, if their manager is better than Southgate, they won't look at things so high level, but he was on the pitch when the rest of the team started failing. Is he likely to be entirely blameless? I mean, I'm not especially impressed with his performances for us either yet, but man aren't you reaching a little bit here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Game abandoned. Tielemans' fault Personally, I am blaming him entirely for the Middle East crisis. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 13 hours ago, osmark86 said: I mean, I'm not especially impressed with his performances for us either yet, but man aren't you reaching a little bit here? Yes, I was reaching a bit there. With what limited information I can get from highlights of the match and reviews of his performance online, it was a loose conclusion. But as I mentioned with my following post it was enough negativity from me and I was instead moving on to hoping he'd use the confidence of still being picked by the international team to instil some confidence in his club form. It really does seem he's not assured of his abilities, even though they're definitely there. That the match last night then got abandoned for incredibly sad reasons puts the whole thing in perspective though. Sad day for Belgium, Sweden and all concerned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 17/10/2023 at 11:55, MrBlack said: Yes, I was reaching a bit there. With what limited information I can get from highlights of the match and reviews of his performance online, it was a loose conclusion. But as I mentioned with my following post it was enough negativity from me and I was instead moving on to hoping he'd use the confidence of still being picked by the international team to instil some confidence in his club form. It really does seem he's not assured of his abilities, even though they're definitely there. That the match last night then got abandoned for incredibly sad reasons puts the whole thing in perspective though. Sad day for Belgium, Sweden and all concerned. I get that and no worries As for the final bit, it's all really sad and turbulent. I wouldn't want to be a muslim in Sweden right now with some of the things I'm hearing from non-muslims either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Farlz Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 Quote When it became apparent that Youri Tielemans would not be signing a new contract with Leicester City and would be available on a free transfer there was interest from all over the Premier League and Europe. The Belgium midfielder had consistently been one of Leicester’s best players during his four years at the club so when Aston Villa won the race to sign him last June it was considered to be one of the coups of the summer. But fast forward four months and it has not been the fairytale beginning the 26-year-old had been hoping for. He is yet to make a Premier League start after eight games of the new season. That was not, Tielemans said, the proposal that was sold to him by Unai Emery, the Villa head coach, when he agreed to join the club, so he is understandably disappointed. He described the situation as “unpleasant” while away with his country last month but insisted that the rest of his answer was lost in translation and that he is fighting to prove a point at Villa Park. “Obviously when you sign for a club you want to show yourself. I’m very competitive, I want to start every game and play every minute of every game, and maybe people don’t understand that but I’m that type of guy,” Tielemans says. “I’m very demanding of myself and I know when I do something wrong or when I don’t play well. “It’s a challenge at the moment not to be starting and not to be playing every minute of every game, and not to be able to help the team as much as I want to. Maybe it came out a bit rudely because of the mistranslation.” There was no miscommunication as Tielemans explained his difficulties at the club before Villa’s home game against West Ham on Sunday. He admitted that there is disappointment over the lack of playing time but he appeared happy and relaxed as he spoke about enjoying his time at the club. He was also defiant when discussing his challenge to break into the starting XI. He accepts that this particular task will be a difficult one after Villa’s start to the season. They presently sit fifth in the Premier League, four points off the top, having continued the strong form at the end of last season that earned them a place in the Europa Conference League. And he admits it is taking him time to adjust to his manager’s demands. “Since the start he [Emery] told me that it’s a process because it’s a different playing style than what I’m used to, especially from last season and the season before,” he explains. “His plan is very clear with the midfielders coming inside and keeping the ball even more so than what I was used to. For him, it’s a totally normal process. He’s not worried at all and he makes me feel like a very important player even though I’m not starting every game. He’s very supportive and helps every player.” At Leicester, aside from when his form dropped off towards the end of the last campaign, Tielemans was consistently one of the first names on the teamsheet. He was a vital player for Leicester under Brendan Rodgers, with his winner in the 2021 FA Cup final against Chelsea earning him legendary status at the club. So while Emery may believe his journey at Villa so far is a “normal process”, Tielemans has had to get used to life as a squad player who must try to make an impact off the bench or in midweek European matches. “It’s a different challenge but I felt like I earned my place at Leicester and that’s what I need to do here. Maybe it takes more time than it took at Leicester but I’ll take that time,” he says. “I’m working really hard and I’m becoming a better player and whenever I get to start showing that [then] I’m sure everyone will be really happy.” There has not yet been much evidence that Tielemans has improved from the performance level that established him as one of the best midfielders in the Premier League with his displays in Leicester blue. But because of Emery’s intense tutelage, he believes that is the case. “My technical understanding of the game has definitely improved and at the moment I’m happy because I know I’m progressing well. I feel like I am a better player than I was before joining and I’m just working really hard to get better and better,” he says. “I know I’m progressing well into the system. I know I’m not up there yet with regards to my level because I know I can do much, much better than what I have shown, but with a couple of games in my legs I will get better and better.” He says he enjoys a strong relationship with his head coach, contrary to reports that the pair do not get along. “I have seen suggestions that I have fallen out with the manager. I get sent all of that, I see all of that and I laugh because it’s nonsense,” he says. “The manager has been really supportive since the start and we’ve got a really good professional relationship so sometimes I really have to bite my tongue. “People don’t know me; they might get a view of me from a couple of videos they see online and whatever. It doesn’t really bother me [what people say]. But when I see that my family gets questions or if fans hear it and are frustrated, that bothers me because I feel like there’s a negative image of me out there even though I’ve not done anything. I don’t want there to be a negative mood around me because I’m a really positive guy, always laughing, always being happy and that’s who I am. I always try to be positive with my football.” Positivity becomes more difficult when you are not being given the chance to make an impact on games, but Tielemans dismisses suggestions that he wants to leave in January as “nonsense” and says he has no concerns that a lack of game time could impact his place in Belgium’s Euro 2024 squad next summer. He has just returned from another international camp, which involved Belgium’s Euro 2024 qualifier against Sweden in Brussels being abandoned at half-time after two football fans were killed in the city centre in a terrorist attack before kick-off. “The fact that it happened before the game, it was surprising it even went ahead, to be honest,” Tielemans says. “Everyone was in the unknown and the game was just going on. “We didn’t know what had happened until half-time. Even the manager had done his team talk and we were trying to get ready to come out again. It was scary because I had some family inside the stadium and there were some rumours that there were people inside the stadium as well.” Tielemans was given a rare start this season in that game and is feeling comfortable with his place within the national set-up under head coach Domenico Tedesco. “He knows what my situation is and knows the manager [Emery] is really good because they’ve met before and he likes his playing style,” Tielemans says. “He’s been looking at my games and he’s not worried because I have the experience and I’m ready, I’m training every session, I’m fit and for him it’s a question of when. It takes one game for me to get started and hopefully that will be soon.” 10 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Nice interview. As per my earlier post, I think we need to judge his value at the end of the season and not the start. Suspect some in here will be eating humble pie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Good move by the club and Youri to put this out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 He’ll be fine. Some fans just didn’t want us to sign him so will never be convinced by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 You mean Wayne Veysey was talking nonsense? Who could have seen that coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Farlz said: Love this. Hopefully not just words and he delivers on his ambitions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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