Delphinho123 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, tomsky_11 said: I'd rather minimise the risk of not making the group stage by having an easier draw, given it's our first European fixture in a while and will be the first for a number of players in the squad. We can settle into the competition and beat the best teams later. He’s not bothered, mate. Get over it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Guarantee we are unseeded and draw juventus in the qualifying round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, tomsky_11 said: I'd rather minimise the risk of not making the group stage by having an easier draw, given it's our first European fixture in a while and will be the first for a number of players in the squad. We can settle into the competition and beat the best teams later. As shown with stevange there is no gurantees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted June 4, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 4, 2023 I'm not going to open this thread until August. Drives me crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: As shown with stevange there is no gurantees Who said anything about guarantees? 32 minutes ago, tomsky_11 said: I'd rather minimise the risk of not making the group stage by having an easier draw, given it's our first European fixture in a while and will be the first for a number of players in the squad. We can settle into the competition and beat the best teams later. To add another reason into the mix, what's the likely difference in revenue in the competition with we fail to make the group? Assuming we get very little for losing the playoff, and Spurs made £10M for dropping out at the group stage, we could probably do without losing out on £10M revenue we'll be planning to bank. Our chances of qualifying would obviously be better if we were playing a side from the unseeded part of the draw rather than Juventus. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 4, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: As shown with stevange there is no gurantees Let's face it, we battered Stevenage and they scored a couple of freak, quick goals. The difference is this is 2 legs. Imagine the team we would have put out in a second leg against Stevenage to see the tie out. Big teams rarely go out over 2 legs. I know they do but very rarely. The second game is an insurance policy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, sidcow said: Let's face it, we battered Stevenage and they scored a couple of freak, quick goals. The difference is this is 2 legs. Imagine the team we would have put out in a second leg against Stevenage to see the tie out. Big teams rarely go out over 2 legs. I know they do but very rarely. The second game is an insurance policy. I'm sure this happened in 2009-10 and the following year 2010-2011. I just cant think who. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 4, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 minute ago, captain said: I'm sure this happened in 2009-10 and the following year 2010-2011. I just cant think who. Like I said, it does happen, but not often. And especially not often with a manager the caliber of Emery in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Osasuna get the 7th spot in Spain then. Quite nice achievement as they also got to the Copa Del Rey final and narrowly lost to Real Madrid. Juventus 7th in Serie A so they'll be favourites to win this based on reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted June 4, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, tomsky_11 said: Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, I'm pretty sure this isn't right, it's 8 teams that will be ahead of us in the seeding no matter what: Lille Frankfurt Qualifier from Italy Loser of Europa League qualifier involving Olympiacos Loser of Europa League qualifier involving Slavia Prague Winner of Conference 3rd round qualifier involving AZ Winner of Conference 3rd round qualifier involving Partizan Winner of Conference 3rd round qualifier involving Dynamo Kyiv Then there are 10 further teams that could push us down the seeding rankings if they get past the 2nd qualifying round: Plzen Maccabi Tel Aviv PAOK Cluj Fenerbahce Gent Basel Club Brugge Basaksehir Midtjylland The last two teams listed might still not qualify for the competition at all, in which case we'd be guaranteed the last seeded spot in the play offs. Slight misunderstanding. Only 2 teams formally confirmed; wasn't fully sure on the Italy position but see that is now Juventus has got the Italy spot confirmed. Updated table FYI: My understanding is only the 3rd round is left to play before the draw so not necessarily all of the teams can/will qualify. Schedule for 2023–24 UEFA Europa Conference League Phase Round Draw date First leg Second leg Qualifying First qualifying round 20 June 2023 13 July 2023 20 July 2023 Second qualifying round 21 June 2023 27 July 2023 3 August 2023 Third qualifying round 24 July 2023 10 August 2023 17 August 2023 Play-offs Play-off round 7 August 2023 24 August 2023 31 August 2023 Group stage Matchday 1 1 September 2023 21 September 2023 Matchday 2 5 October 2023 Matchday 3 26 October 2023 Matchday 4 9 November 2023 Matchday 5 30 November 2023 Matchday 6 14 December 2023 Knockout phase Knockout round play-offs 18 December 2023 15 February 2024 22 February 2024 Round of 16 23 February 2024 7 March 2024 14 March 2024 Quarter-finals 15 March 2024 11 April 2024 18 April 2024 Semi-finals 2 May 2024 9 May 2024 Final 29 May 2024 at TBA So all those that are in the 2nd round or before could be knocked out still (7 of the confirmed teams ahead of us plus possibly 2 more). The point is that there is a lot that can happen between now and then and we only need one or 2 things to go our way anyway. With Emery in charge I'm not worried whoever we face. Edited June 4, 2023 by cyrusr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, cyrusr said: Slight misunderstanding. Only 2 teams formally confirmed Figured that's where you where going with it, but like I say there's 6 other slots above us definitely already taken, just the exact team filling that slot could change. It's impossible for us to be higher than the 9th of 17 seeded teams. 22 minutes ago, cyrusr said: My understanding is only the 3rd round is left to play before the draw so not necessarily all of the teams can/will qualify. Correct. Same for the Europa League qualifiers involving Slavia and Olympiacos. 22 minutes ago, cyrusr said: So all those that are in the 2nd round or before could be knocked out still (7 of the confirmed teams ahead of us plus possibly 2 more). Correct, though it's 8 confirmed teams + possibly 2 more, not 7. That Twitter list isn't showing Midtjylland as a possible qualifier for 2nd round and is also for some reason not showing Fenerbahce's qualification as confirmed when it should be. 23 minutes ago, cyrusr said: a lot that can happen between now and then and we only need one or 2 things to go our way anyway. Yep. Would be nice if those two things are Fenerbahce winning and Midtjylland losing next weekend. Then we can stop worrying entirely about being unseeded. Edited June 4, 2023 by tomsky_11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Who the **** are serviette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillaJ100 Posted June 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Who the **** are serviette Their squad is paper thin 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 hours ago, cyrusr said: Slight misunderstanding. Only 2 teams formally confirmed; wasn't fully sure on the Italy position but see that is now Juventus has got the Italy spot confirmed. Updated table FYI: My understanding is only the 3rd round is left to play before the draw so not necessarily all of the teams can/will qualify. Schedule for 2023–24 UEFA Europa Conference League Phase Round Draw date First leg Second leg Qualifying First qualifying round 20 June 2023 13 July 2023 20 July 2023 Second qualifying round 21 June 2023 27 July 2023 3 August 2023 Third qualifying round 24 July 2023 10 August 2023 17 August 2023 Play-offs Play-off round 7 August 2023 24 August 2023 31 August 2023 Group stage Matchday 1 1 September 2023 21 September 2023 Matchday 2 5 October 2023 Matchday 3 26 October 2023 Matchday 4 9 November 2023 Matchday 5 30 November 2023 Matchday 6 14 December 2023 Knockout phase Knockout round play-offs 18 December 2023 15 February 2024 22 February 2024 Round of 16 23 February 2024 7 March 2024 14 March 2024 Quarter-finals 15 March 2024 11 April 2024 18 April 2024 Semi-finals 2 May 2024 9 May 2024 Final 29 May 2024 at TBA So all those that are in the 2nd round or before could be knocked out still (7 of the confirmed teams ahead of us plus possibly 2 more). The point is that there is a lot that can happen between now and then and we only need one or 2 things to go our way anyway. With Emery in charge I'm not worried whoever we face. Isn’t Lech Poznan the team Tonev came from? Then we have Rapid Vienna, Vitoria, Bashakeser (isn’t it Traore team?), ofcourse Brugge (our first PL year) and Juve peace cup. A lot of familiar names up there lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted June 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2023 5 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Who the **** are serviette. Need to watch them next season - they’ll clean up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted June 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Who the **** are serviette. Hope we play them, they’ll fold easily 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 22 hours ago, tomav84 said: i have work colleagues there whom it would be good to meet in person, so frankfurt definitely would be a fun trip. tough game though. Careful what you wish for. Frankfurt fans have caused trouble around Europe in recent seasons including last game in Naples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted June 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2023 5 hours ago, abdulaziz1 said: Isn’t Lech Poznan the team Tonev came from? Then we have Rapid Vienna, Vitoria, Bashakeser (isn’t it Traore team?), ofcourse Brugge (our first PL year) and Juve peace cup. A lot of familiar names up there lol. And Kalinić came from Gent (I think!?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 10 hours ago, tomsky_11 said: Who said anything about guarantees? To add another reason into the mix, what's the likely difference in revenue in the competition with we fail to make the group? Assuming we get very little for losing the playoff, and Spurs made £10M for dropping out at the group stage, we could probably do without losing out on £10M revenue we'll be planning to bank. Our chances of qualifying would obviously be better if we were playing a side from the unseeded part of the draw rather than Juventus. We would have to bw awfully unlucky to draw juventus straight away. Most of the other sides ive looked not much to fear. Trip to Turkey might not be nice but i still fancy us to progress. Lets enjoy the ride what will be will be im not worrying about any team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich192 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 There’s still a very good chance that Juventus are banned from Europe, which would mean that Fiorentina would come in to the competition, unless they win in the final against West Ham, which would mean no Italian team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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