Mic09 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: I know we’ve been through this before but I’m pretty sure Castore don’t actually manufacture the kits, our contract is with Fanatics to manufacture and distribute. Castore just put their name on it. Who has fanatics to complete their kit thread bingo card? It looks like nobody on here knows who actually does what. @NurembergVillan how is it possible it even got to this stage? Are the kits not tested? Anyway, the kit is a bit of a joke (design and quality). I really hope we finish high up this season so we can secure a manufacturer that will pay us well and provide good quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) Perhaps a daft question, but will all three of our kits this season be made exactly the same? If not, could we not play in our away or 3rd kit (if either are better) until the issue with our home shirts is resolved? I’m guessing all three are made the same though. Alternatively, could the players stop playing in pro shirts or whatever they’re called and play in the cheaper fan shirts (again, if better) until a resolution is found? Edited September 27, 2023 by ferguson1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Who has fanatics to complete their kit thread bingo card? It looks like nobody on here knows who actually does what. @NurembergVillan how is it possible it even got to this stage? Are the kits not tested? Anyway, the kit is a bit of a joke (design and quality). I really hope we finish high up this season so we can secure a manufacturer that will pay us well and provide good quality. The kit is terrible, I don’t like how it looks, and the fact it absorbs water and is affecting the players (even mentally if not physically) is absolutely unacceptable. This was from a few years ago, but since then we’ve renewed our deal with Fanatics. Quote The Birmingham-based club said it will become the first English team to adopt a three-party agreement with a manufacturer of sporting apparel and a fashion brand. The arrangement sees Fanatics extend its relationship with the club, by becoming the official kit manufacturer while continuing to deliver its multi-channel retail capability, including management of the store at Villa Park stadium. So Fanatics make the kit, and the manufacturer label on there is essentially another form of sponsorship and has nothing to do with the actual kit. As much as I think Castore are rubbish, I imagine they’re as pissed off as anyone! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Re: folk asking about the away shits, the article said the players had the same concerns about that one as well as the home. Obviously it must be a case of it not looking as egregious to people visually as it's a lighter colour, but the same issues exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted September 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, Indigo said: Re: folk asking about the away shits, the article said the players had the same concerns about that one as well as the home. Obviously it must be a case of it not looking as egregious to people visually as it's a lighter colour, but the same issues exist. This is a very grim post 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, Indigo said: Re: folk asking about the away shits, the article said the players had the same concerns about that one as well as the home. Obviously it must be a case of it not looking as egregious to people visually as it's a lighter colour, but the same issues exist. If it's the away as well then you'd expect it would be the third kit too. Our third kit is pretty much exactly the same as Wolves away kit. You'd think other clubs wearing Castore would have issues too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 12 hours ago, alreadyexists said: I know we’ve been through this before but I’m pretty sure Castore don’t actually manufacture the kits, our contract is with Fanatics and they actually do the design and manufacturing the shirts. So if anything I imagine Castore are very annoyed that there has been a public shambles with their name on it, when they aren’t actually responsible. They need to sort something out though, they are literally soaking wet and I’m glad the players had the balls to mention it. The original villa website article said the deal was for Castore to “supply” kits which very strongly implies that they would be manufacturing rather than just designing them. It might be that castore then commission a third party to do the manufacturing but either way it’s on Castore to sort it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 The kit fabric is obviously a very poor quality... A bad look for Villa and quite embarrassing as this story is everywhere at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alreadyexists Posted September 27, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2023 37 minutes ago, Indigo said: Re: folk asking about the away shits, the article said the players had the same concerns about that one as well as the home. Obviously it must be a case of it not looking as egregious to people visually as it's a lighter colour, but the same issues exist. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, JPJCB said: The original villa website article said the deal was for Castore to “supply” kits which very strongly implies that they would be manufacturing rather than just designing them. It might be that castore then commission a third party to do the manufacturing but either way it’s on Castore to sort it out I’m not sure that it is, I still think Fanatics are our kit manufacturer and distributor, and Castore are our ‘official kit supplier’ in the same way Monster Energy Drinks are our official ‘energy drink supplier’ it’s just sponsorship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheMelvillan Posted September 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2023 43 minutes ago, Indigo said: Re: folk asking about the away shits, the article said the players had the same concerns about that one as well as the home. Obviously it must be a case of it not looking as egregious to people visually as it's a lighter colour, but the same issues exist. Me when we have to travel to the Etihad Stadium 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 27, 2023 11 hours ago, Marka Ragnos said: Do we have any evidence they're uncomfortable? I don't know If you missed it, Matt Law and John Percy have reported that the players have said it's uncomfortable and hindering them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 27 minutes ago, TheMelvillan said: Me when we have to travel to the Etihad Stadium A Freudian slip if ever there was one there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 32 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: I’m not sure that it is, I still think Fanatics are our kit manufacturer and distributor, and Castore are our ‘official kit supplier’ in the same way Monster Energy Drinks are our official ‘energy drink supplier’ it’s just sponsorship So weird. So castore are just paying to have their name associated with us and aren’t actually doing anything? Either way I’m more than happy for them to take the rough with the smooth in that respect and take a reputational hit for the shirts being shit given they’d take the upside if they looked good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Kind of funny that despite this we've still managed to get 12 points from our first 6 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Mantis said: Kind of funny that despite this we've still managed to get 12 points from our first 6 games. I've always blamed the 5-1 at Newcastle on the fabric quality. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 The material issue with the kit has a much more wider issue if it's the same material used for the women's team kits. If it's the same there's going to be some serious complaints from the club and organisations if it is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 14 hours ago, ferguson1 said: Can’t see that going down well with WSL games. Remind me again what time the women's teams first game is on? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) Surely would help if they wore under sports/wicking compression shirts etc? The under Armour type, as a temporary reprieve. Surely Castore have some as well? Edited September 27, 2023 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 It is a tricky situation , especially because we do not know the intricate details in the contract.. I actually think that Fanatics are actually responsible for this.. The contract with Castore & Fanatics may specify that only Fanatics are liable for the manufacturing of the kits not Castore.. All the other teams that have Castore kits are not experiencing this problem so it is pretty obvious who the responsibility lies with.. I just don't understand how we went from Under Armour to Fanatics manufacturing our kits.. Didn't the club want to spend the money? or was that the only deal available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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