PaulC Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: Seaman was also close to World Class in his day. Yes I was thinking about him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, PaulC said: Shilton was close but let England down at vital times. Shilton was poor. Great shot stopper in his day but poor aerial presence and a very poor spot kick keeper. I cannot remember him ever saving a pen at international level he was that slow moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Shilton was poor. Great shot stopper in his day but poor aerial presence and a very poor spot kick keeper. I cannot remember him ever saving a pen at international level he was that slow moving. He was an integral part of the Forest success though and Clough and Taylor rated him as the best. I think he was great keeper but people remember him for the Poland mistake, The Maradonna hand ball goal and no pen saves against the Germans in 1990. He wasnt the tallest of keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, PaulC said: He was an integral part of the Forest success though and Clough and Taylor rated him as the best. I think he was great keeper but people remember him for the Poland mistake, The Maradonna hand ball goal and no pen saves against the Germans in 1990. He wasnt the tallest of keepers. He was slow asf too. As you said great keeper at club level but not at international level imo. England were pretty shocking during the 80's though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Genie said: Seaman was also close to World Class in his day. Seaman was very good, but in the same period Italy have had Buffon, Pagliuca, Peruzzi, Toldo, Cudicini, and Donnarumma who I think would all have been England number 1 ahead of James, Robinson, Hart, Pickford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post foreveryoung Posted March 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2023 Everyone with a ounce of football knowledge knows that Kalvin Philips would be nowhere near this squad had he had 56 minutes of football and still played for Leeds. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted March 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 21, 2023 30 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Everyone with a ounce of football knowledge knows that Kalvin Philips would be nowhere near this squad had he had 56 minutes of football and still played for Leeds. There are hardly any players in the World that should be representing their national teams this weekend after playing 56 minutes for their club this season, regardless of which club that may be, and one of them is certainly not Kalvin **** Phillips. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 hours ago, fightoffyour said: There are hardly any players in the World that should be representing their national teams this weekend after playing 56 minutes for their club this season, regardless of which club that may be, and one of them is certainly not Kalvin **** Phillips. Some media slagging Mancini for having West Hams Scamacca in the team although he's played no minutes. But apparently its okay Southgate having Phillips in our team as he suits the tactics. You watch him start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 17 hours ago, Genie said: Seaman was also close 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 54 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Some media slagging Mancini for having West Hams Scamacca in the team although he's played no minutes. But apparently its okay Southgate having Phillips in our team as he suits the tactics. You watch him start. The difference is mancini has also called up a 17 year old striker and a debutant Southgate will play phillips and then sub him off for Henderson, learn absolutely nothing, develop nothing and both will be shit in a pointless exercise that will no doubt keep his record high but his ceiling low 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Italy got all of Jorginho-Verrati-Barella in their squad still so it will be a similar game to the euros final. Bonnuci also still in defence so they'll remain tough to break down. England have a terrible record v Italy compared to the other major nations, pretty sure it's just two friendly wins in the last 30 years and no wins in any competitive meetings in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: The difference is mancini has also called up a 17 year old striker and a debutant Southgate will play phillips and then sub him off for Henderson, learn absolutely nothing, develop nothing and both will be shit in a pointless exercise that will no doubt keep his record high but his ceiling low I doubt Phillips will play a minute. The only assumption I can have about his place in the squad that makes even a tiny bit of sense is that it's a kind of encouragement and gesture that GS still wants him around. But though I often assume the role of Southgate defender on this forum, Phillips is a daft selection for all the obvious reasons and I won't defend it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Phillips call up is just plain ridiculous. Southgate needs a result here because his record against top nations is poor. He should try and win the match with the talent he has at his disposal but he still doesn't know his strongest side. Italy failed to qualify for the world cup. We should not fear them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 He does need a result, unfortunately the NL is a nothing competition so no one takes our relegation seriously but the performances were shit He still manages to have easy tournament draws paper over more cracks than llewelyn bowen He'll set us up to snatch a 1-0 win that Steve Bruce would be proud of Make it out of the group, kane get another 8 goals vs Malta, go above Ramsey in the win percentage column again, get to the QFs in 2 years time and be told its better than what came before him rinse and repeat All that said... We're stuck with him and the autumn games are where you have to judge him, integrate the u21s and push out the likes of Henderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Phillips hasn't started a single Premier League match this season and has played just 198 minutes across all competitions since joining Man City. He starts tonight 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, rbcuk said: Phillips hasn't started a single Premier League match this season and has played just 198 minutes across all competitions since joining Man City. He starts tonight That's absolutely mental! But predictable from boregate. He is going to ve blowing out of his ass come half-time, no way is he match fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, rbcuk said: Phillips hasn't started a single Premier League match this season and has played just 198 minutes across all competitions since joining Man City. He starts tonight This was nailed on, listening to the media today, they were gagging to slag Southgate about it, even his pal Stiart Pearce said he shouldn't really start. If this is not proof the media have been told not to be negative on Southgate, I'm not sure what is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will87 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I know they're different players but how you can have Foden on the bench and Kalvin Phillips starting is mind blowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted March 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2023 The idea of Phillips starting for any football team must have given thousands of obese men, who are munching on their sofa, that one day their dream will come true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Steven punditry...Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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