Summer Transfer Window 2023

[Villaphan04]

11 minutes ago, duke313 said:

All your Spanish full-backs are belong to us.

was listening to the pod earlier. these definitely make sense, considering most of our coaching staff and Monchi have very good connections within Spain. Would love Fresneda as most know but each of them would be good signings with solid first team experience 

[Sulberto21]

40 minutes ago, UpTheVilla26 said:

I'll swerve that, my wife's double barreled

What a woman….

[striker]

5 hours ago, Steero113 said:

I cannot help you.

Use your eyes. 

I don’t need your help thanks and noted you didn’t reply to any of the points I’ve made.

[Steero113]

2 minutes ago, striker said:

I don’t need your help thanks and noted you didn’t reply to any of the points I’ve made.

Others have done a far better job than me of highlighting why your points were so far wide of the mark. I'd rather not waste my breath to be honest. 

Good day. 

[CarryOnVilla]

55 minutes ago, duke313 said:

All your Spanish full-backs are belong to us.

If this true that we are after full or wing backs on both sides, then I’d like one of each on both side, so we can be defensive or attacking on both/either side.

[striker]

5 hours ago, Jas10 said:

Woah! Easy there dude…

Completely unnecessary and childish…

If you’re watched us last season, you’d see he was key to our play and dictated it…

Created plenty of chances…

 

I don’t get the impression that you’re going to take an alternative view on anyway, no need for petty remarks..

Best we keep the peace…

I’m not the one making childish remarks. We’ll agree to disagree.

[striker]

2 minutes ago, Steero113 said:

Others have done a far better job than me of highlighting why your points were so far wide of the mark. I'd rather not waste my breath to be honest. 

Good day. 

Cheerio.

[MaVilla]

17 hours ago, striker said:

With respect being a member of a team that has been relegated doesn’t make you a bad player. Villa were relegated with Grealish in the side.

Secondly, I’d be very interested to find out how you know Prowse is currently struggling to get get a move back to the Premiership?

If Prowse is indeed a much inferior player to Luiz then why were Villa trying to buy him last season?

Yes it was rumoured Arsenal we’re trying to buy Luiz last season and if rumours are correct the only reason why Villa didn’t sell him was they couldn’t find a replacement so close to the end of the window.

Playing for any national side, even Brazil, doesn’t guarantee quality. Wesley played for Brazil ffs!!

Hey.

Completely agree, being relegated doesnt make you a bad player, tbf tho we got relegated when Grealish was a nipper and wasnt a regular, although we did very nearly get relegated with him in the team in 19/20, but ye, totally agree, look at maddison, tielemans, Buendia, JWP etc etc, none are bad players, all got relegated, probably more like that that i cant remember off the top of my head, the "he cant be good cus he was relegated" snobbery is just silly.

With regard to JWP and Luiz, we tried to sign JWP i think...2 years ago?, i think back then it is fair to say JWP was the better player, but even then, we probably wanted JWP to play alongside Luiz, not to replace him.

40m for JWP 2 years ago i think was the proposed fee, i think most on here if they were honest would have paid that for JWP, and as i said, in a direct comparison, 2 years ago, i think JWP was the better player, and JWP would have been a big improvement for our team at the time.

However, right now, in July 2023, Luiz in the last 9-12 months has raised his game to another level and developed hugely as a player, especially in the last 6-9 months under Emery, i do think that right now, Luiz is the better player of the two.

On another note, i wouldnt pay 40m for JWP now, he's 28, 29 this year, and probably worth what....25-30m? (factoring in the relegation fee reduction that impacts most relegated good players?).

I think the difference now, is that i wouldnt take JWP for 25/30m, mainly due to the fact that we now have kamara, Luiz, Tielemans and Dendoncker in those central midfield positions, and honestly, i think JWP is only a definite upgrade on Dendoncker, and even then Donk is the only of our mifielders who is the 6ft 2, physical type midfielder, so its not a direct comparison.

One final thing though, JWP is clearly an elite deadball specialist, none of our players have the dead ball ability that JWP has, but i also would want to sign him just for that.

Right now i wouldnt want JWP, but, he is still a very, very good player, and i think for  prob 60-75% of PL teams, JWP would be a great signing.

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by MaVilla

[useless]

Take away set-pieces and Ward-Prowse is an average player, works hard and keeps it simple, but doesn't offer much else, without set-pieces he's basically Harry Winks, in terms of general play he's nowhere near as good as Luiz or Kamara, or Tielemans for that matter when Tielemans is in form, if any of those three were to leave they would all get better moves than West Ham.

A club paying big money for him is basically paying for his set-pieces alone he brings a lot in that regard but buyers have to weigh up whether or not his goals and assists from free-kicks compensate for his averageness in general play, he's basically like a better version of Conor Hourihane.

[StewieGriffin]

1 hour ago, UpTheVilla26 said:

I'll swerve that, my wife's double barreled

I can confirm this.

Lovely set of double barrells.

[lexicon]

5 hours ago, striker said:

Quite a bit since I have supported both teams for a very long time.

No vendetta here at all by the way.

I’m not saying Luiz is terrible. He is tidy in his play and comfortable on the ball. However my main gripe with him is his effectiveness as a midfielder. He doesn’t score consistently, he’s not very tenacious in the tackle and rarely creates anything. Yes I did see his pass for Diaby’s goal last night against Fulham but how often does he do that in the Premiership or in games that matter? For example Man U Casemiro absolutely schooled Luiz the last time they met but that was very quickly swept under the carpet here. That is the quality of of top four teams which Villa are trying to break into.

I generally feel that Villa have suffered from a lack of goals from their midfielders for a very long time. Villa haven’t really had a consistent goal scoring mid since Platt or indeed a dead ball specialist!

Thats why I feel Prowse would be more effective than Luiz while still being very good technically.

Comparing Luiz to different types of CM is not helpful, nor does it really make sense to do so. Casemiro is a traditional CDM, whereas JWP is a deep-lying playmaker who does a bit of defensive work but mainly is there to pass and take set pieces. Luiz is a box-to-box midfielder. He has a more rounded skillset than either and is a lot better on the ball, as evidenced by his superior 'progressive carries' and 'successful take-ons'. Neither Casemiro nor JWP can or do drive the ball up the pitch. 

If Casemiro played for us, he'd be in Kamara's role. He's one of the best CDMs in the world and cost Man Utd 60-70m.

JWP in our side instead of Luiz would make us weaker. Not only would there be a loss in dynamism on the ball in the centre of the field, we'd also be weaker defensively as he does not have the athleticism of Luiz and his defensive stats reflect that. He's a slightly better set-piece taker, but still only yielded one goal/assist contribution more than Luiz in 450 minutes of football. 

In any case, Luiz is a much more rounded player than JWP. It's not only clear to see, it's also evidenced by statistics. 

[thunderball]

Doku, Felix and F Torres links gone quiet.

I am sort of hoping we get Torres on loan (to buy) and go back for Goncalves at the end of the window.

[lexicon]

2 minutes ago, thunderball said:

Doku, Felix and F Torres links gone quiet.

I am sort of hoping we get Torres on loan (to buy) and go back for Goncalves at the end of the window.

I wouldn't count on it. I don't think we really need to buy any other attackers tbh - Diaby can play all across the front and we've got decent options there. Perhaps an experienced back-up striker but they'd possibly just get in the way of developing Duran and Archer. 

[villan95]

5 minutes ago, useless said:

Take away set-pieces and Ward-Prowse is an average player, works hard and keeps it simple, but doesn't offer much else, without set-pieces he's basically Harry Winks, in terms of general play he's nowhere near as good as Luiz or Kamara, or Tielemans for that matter when Tielemans is in form, if any of those three were to leave they would all get better moves than West Ham.

A club paying big money for him is basically paying for his set-pieces alone he brings a lot in that regard but buyers have to weigh up whether or not his goals and assists from free-kicks compensate for his averageness in general play, he's basically like a better version of Conor Hourihane.

While set pieces are his forte, I do think he's a good player. Worth remembering he's been in a pretty poor Southampton team and I reckon he would benefit from better players around him. It's all moot though because 99% sure he won't be coming here.

[MSvillain]

Never argue with an idiot. You'll never convince the idiot that you're correct, and bystanders won't be able to tell who's who.

[thunderball]

1 minute ago, lexicon said:

I wouldn't count on it. I don't think we really need to buy any other attackers tbh - Diaby can play all across the front and we've got decent options there. Perhaps an experienced back-up striker but they'd possibly just get in the way of developing Duran and Archer. 

I can dream though? We certainly have yet to give everyone a chance to stake a claim, we perhaps need one more forward/AM to get us through a long season? I think there is a chance of breaking trough this season if we recruit well.

I suppose I am jealous of Arsenals depth of quality (admittedly funded by Champions League money), they have recruited very well ove rteh past few windows and built on a very solid team.

[Made In Aston]

1 hour ago, duke313 said:

All your Spanish full-backs are belong to us.

A strange thing Gregg said was that he wasn't going to be the villa correspondent anymore as he got a promotion... To cover Liverpool. If he gets another promotion does that mean he will be able to report on Man City?! 

[Marka Ragnos]

12 minutes ago, thunderball said:

I can dream though? We certainly have yet to give everyone a chance to stake a claim, we perhaps need one more forward/AM to get us through a long season? I think there is a chance of breaking trough this season if we recruit well.

This. Either/or/maybe depending on the value of any potential deals for forwards balanced with probably more urgent priorities. We shouldn’t take any possibilities off the table if the right deal comes along, but we shouldn’t play our hand rigidly either. 

Edited July 27, 2023 by Marka Ragnos

[MaVilla]

28 minutes ago, Made In Aston said:

A strange thing Gregg said was that he wasn't going to be the villa correspondent anymore as he got a promotion... To cover Liverpool. If he gets another promotion does that mean he will be able to report on Man City?! 

honestly, i clicked on a Villa Podcast last night with Dan Bardell, as the screen loaded i saw Gregg Evans on the video also.

I immediately closed the video.

Gregg Evans is the John Snow of football.

[HeyAnty]

2 hours ago, duke313 said:

All your Spanish full-backs are belong to us.

I’m just back from spain from my annual holiday and i was taken aback by the amount of Spanish teenagers wearing English prem tops.  City was the big one but believe it or not there was a good few with Villa tops.  More so than pool or utd.  With our Spanish connections and South American players, we could be tapping into a new market.