AvfcRigo82 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheEgo said: This info by me in the next manager thread went under the radar!! unread ITK haha!! Info by you? It looks like @Eastie posted it, who to be fair has been bang on target with everything he has said. He's been ahead of the press and media with much of his posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 I wonder how Cash and Targett go in a Gerrard team when you consider he loved full backs bombing forward at Rangers. Cash can do it but still a bit hesitant at times. Targett, don’t think he has the legs. I think we’ll buy a new left back next summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Under normal circumstances we'd want 15 points from those fixtures, and that should be the average They're targeting once his team are settled in. Over a full season, that average would match our highest points total in the Premier League this century. It'd match any total M'ON ever achieved with us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I agree with most of this. The problem is those first two fixtures are going to come along fast and after that it becomes very difficult for a while. If you asked Gerrard, I bet they'd rather flip them. Under normal circumstances we'd want 15 points from those fixtures, and that should be the average They're targeting once his team are settled in. I think 15 would be an excellent return at any time. I mean Brighton and Burnley at home should be matches you expect to win. Norwich away too. But there are no other bankers there. Palace away with the way they have started the season isn't easy. A draw there would be a decent result for anyone. I'd say the same for Leeds although with the way they have started maybe you'd say that a point would be the minimum expectation. Which leaves Man City, Leicester and Chelsea at home and to be honest you'd not be betting on much more than a point from that. Then Liverpool away with pretty much zero expectation. So 11 or 12 points would be a pretty decent haul. 15 from that lot and we'd be delighted. More than 15 is seriously good form - basically top 6 form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alreadyexists Posted November 12, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2021 Where’s all this Targett hate coming from? I think he’s good. He’s the most competent left back we’ve had for probably a decade. His delivery is good and he’s good without the ball. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Johnnyp said: I wonder how Cash and Targett go in a Gerrard team when you consider he loved full backs bombing forward at Rangers. Cash can do it but still a bit hesitant at times. Targett, don’t think he has the legs. I think we’ll buy a new left back next summer. Agreed. Target might be the first casualty of the Stevie G regime. Wouldn't totally rule out Freddie getting a shot a FB either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said: Over a full season, that average would match our highest points total in the Premier League this century. It'd match any total M'ON ever achieved with us. I was being approximate. 1.5 points per game should be the target. That would equate to 57 points over the course of a full season. I'm not saying they have to hit it this season or consider themselves to have failed, only that it feels like a reasonable aim. Next season after another big spend the board will undoubtedly expect Europe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Oh, I am not knocking their ability as footballers. But the last few weeks have been so bad, it's hard to see how there will be a quick turnaround. Maybe it's a lot simpler than I believe. Keeping the ball for more than 14 seconds would be a start... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: Where’s all this Targett hate coming from? I think he’s good. He’s the most competent left back we’ve had for probably a decade. His delivery is good and he’s good without the ball. I don't think it comes as any suprise he has not looked the same player since Grealish has left. I too also don't understand the heavy criticism towards him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, KentVillan said: The difference is that in the Premier League, you are up against a team that has at least a fighting chance almost every week, so you can't just phone it in and get away with it. Any mistakes and you're dropping points. Probably Norwich is the only team that has been rolling over for everyone? Whereas in Scotland you really have such a headstart over the other teams, they need to play out of their skins and you need to make huge mistakes to drop points. Here's the wage bills from 2020: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/latest-premiership-news/scottish-premiership-wage-bills-all-12-teams-ranked-celtic-and-rangers-pull-away-majority-ps62m-paid-salaries-1398455 Every MLS team would slot in above Aberdeen. So a young manager who achieves success in the MLS, like Patrick Vieria or Jesse Marsch, is far more equipped to deal with the PL where every game is a tough ask. Not trying to discredit Steven's accomplishment with Rangers but I don't see them as a large indicator of his prospective success in the PL. Huge gamble and, as a Villa fan, I really hope it comes good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Jas10 said: I just can’t share in the excitement or confidence and don’t want to share in the pessimism/negativity. There just isn’t enough to go off of, the only reasonable stance I can see to take is “wait and see”. That's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 12, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2021 Please stay on topic, we’ve asked a number of times now. This thread is about Gerrard, not Smith, not players etc, thanks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 minute ago, alreadyexists said: It seem strange to me that so many are still listing LB as one of the first places to strengthen. Before getting competition for Targett I would get a new back up ‘keeper, a DM, and a new CB cover. Just my opinion obv DM absolutely the top priority. I worry about your mention of cover though. The only place we need cover is GK. I don't want a third choice CB. We need someone in there to steady the ship. Either a new leader (although keeping Mings happy of the bench might be challenging) or someone who can kick (not literally) Mings into shape and keep his concentration levels up. I rate Konsa highly and Mings has loads of potential - but they both probably need a different partner in order to excel. I'm just not convinced that with Bailey or Ollie ahead of him that Targett has the "protection" he had before. He gets a little bit guilty of tracking the ball and often seems to be too far infield when we are defending. The latter might get sorted when we have a proper defensive midfielder and if SG can get McGinn to actually stay with his man. Or maybe it was a coaching thing? I wouldn't say LB was necessarily a top priority but I am more worried about Targett than Matty Cash based on the way that SG seems to want to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: To be fair it can probably be levelled at most managers at some point. They spend all week working on a plan and with much more knowledge than us fans ever have, so they have invested time and belief in their plan. Therefore rightly or wrongly they’re probably reluctant to make changes until the plan has been given a longer chance to succeed than fans would. Often the cry is to make a change but the manager looks along the bench and doesn’t see an up grade. It may be that some of the options have a problem that we wouldn’t know about. Stuff like, he’s been carrying a knock can he give me more than 10 minutes, he fell out with his missus last week, is his head right? Etc etc. As fans we’re working with only a small amount of the knowledge. If the game is won, with or without subs he’s right, lose and he’s wrong. You know how it works. Its funny.....Then you get the tinkerman... you're buggered if you do and buggered if you don't. substitutions are not always the answer to every situation.....The only thing a manager can say is...I tried something. some substitutions from teams is playing to the gallery, no real affect, just pot luck. SG will make subs, when he he feels its right. Edited November 12, 2021 by TRO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jas10 said: I can see that you’re delighted with this appointment TRO and I hope that’s justified and you enjoy his tenure. Other than the allure of his name and reputation as a player (putting that to one side), what makes you so sure he is going to be a success? What convinces you he is a high level manager (which he will need to be to compete well in this league, huge step up and challenge). I think it’s justified to have doubts and reservations but also sensible to look forwards with hope and optimism rather than be downbeat or complain… I think it’s a very unpredictable scenario myself but am hoping for the best. I have already list some of his redeeming factors...but watch "High Performance" by Jake Humphrey and you will learn more about your new manager and what makes him tick. There are rakes of factors to get right in the business of being an Elite Manager, and SG has a way to go to be one, he knows that himself....He is very aware of himself and his capabilitties...but one thing is clear, Steven Gerrard is a born winner, its in his DNA, does that make him a miracle worker, NO....but does that make him work until he gets it right, yes.....Does that make him give in at the first sign of adversity, NO.....Has he demonstrated through his life, that he strives for betterment, Yes....has he a record, for acheiving betterment, Yes. I don't think SG is a character, who rests on his laurels, he is forever looking for the next buzz, the next challenge, The next opportunity to be at the top table with the Elite managers and I believe, he wants to do it with us. While I am excited, by the appointment, I am not naive enough to believe, everything will re rosey in the Garden....and turning us around, will be a breeze, but I do believe, he will quickly identify the weaknesses that has landed us where we are, how long it will take to rectify, I don't know that timescale, but I hope it steers us clear of Danger. While I think Dean and Steve have aligning similarities regarding some things, I also see differences in their make up....Steve will add steel, imo...but he is not the whip hand that will thrash them in to shape, that is simply not what Steven Gerrard is about. For the doubters, they just have to wait and see....For the believers, like me, we just have to hope we was right from the start. Edited November 12, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, alreadyexists said: Where’s all this Targett hate coming from? I think he’s good. He’s the most competent left back we’ve had for probably a decade. His delivery is good and he’s good without the ball. I'll expand this thought .... Where is all the hate coming from in general? This is a forum for Villa supporters, and the hate, the arguments, the name calling and the number of posts that drip with vitriol are so disappointing when we all love and support the same club. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Eastie said: Some things purslow says can be taken with a pinch of salt , he was set on Gerrard long before any so called interviews , he was blown away by Gerrard long before this week - there’s a Liverpool forum thread somewhere about how he used to follow Gerrard around like a puppy and it was standing joke among the players at the time We all have our heroes Eastie.....maybe Gerrards winning personality, attracted him....jealousy in a group, can lead to that kind of stuff. I used to get teased, by the gaffer, being around me so much, but the reason was, I sold more than the rest...winners want to be around winners, its contagious...not spooky. If we go on to do good things, maybe we will be grateful for Purslow, picking a good leader. Edited November 12, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa 59 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 All this using us as a 'stepping stone' rubbish is really starting to annoy me...I would hope that anyone managing the Villa Is ambitious enough to want to manage at a higher level otherwise I wouldn't want them anywhere near our clubl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Info by you? It looks like @Eastie posted it, who to be fair has been bang on target with everything he has said. He's been ahead of the press and media with much of his posts. Only sent a pm to 4 people On here on sat morning yourself included along with Tro , Trent and Doug as many times it’s not worth the hassle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, alreadyexists said: Where’s all this Targett hate coming from? I think he’s good. He’s the most competent left back we’ve had for probably a decade. His delivery is good and he’s good without the ball. Passing into dangerous areas is superb, crossing is decent. I just wish he had a bit of pace and could dribble a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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