villabromsgrove Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 1 minute ago, rodders0223 said: He was fit towards the end of the season to start games. Pace is pace. You either have it or you don't. Unless he was playing with a snapped hamstring. I think he's lost it. I've seen plenty of players have injuries loss of form and loss of confidence. Come back in, be rusty, lack sharpness on the ball, stamina. I have never seen a player lose pace and get it back. I was an athlete many decades ago. Sprinters have a much higher percentage of 'fast twitch' muscles. They deteriorate with age but at Bailey's age they should recover completely after injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) He may have been quick in the Bundesliga, so far, he has looked nothing special in either speed or talent in the Premier League. Let’s all hope it’s fitness, but people arguing he is rapid on the basis of, “but, but, but he is cuz I say he is” is laughable. Bar the one moment v Everton, the guy has spent most of his time on his bum, usually because he has fallen over his own feet. The pressure put on him by his old man isn’t helping, he may have taken him off the streets of wherever, but it appears he is going to make sure people know it. Edited July 10, 2022 by macandally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Watching the highlights from the Bundesliga made me think he was Tony Daley fast. Genuine flyer. Havent yet seen that pace here. No we haven't. Hopefully we do this season. A tough, unpleasant pre-season for him, where he can condition his body could work wonders. Potentially our best player IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Did you not see his sprint back from the Man City penalty box in December? He over took the breaking city player like he was standing still .... then he pulled his hamstring! He has real undeniable pace. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Indigo said: "Bailey is the third fastest sprinter ever recorded in the Bundesliga at 22.62 miles per hour, behind only Alphonso Davies and Achraf Hakimi." lol yes but you know them Premier League pitches are different that only unique runners can run on the Premier League speed record is 22.2 miles per hour as proven by the tougher Premier League turf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, rodders0223 said: He was fit towards the end of the season to start games. Pace is pace. You either have it or you don't. Unless he was playing with a snapped hamstring. I think he's lost it. I've seen plenty of players have injuries loss of form and loss of confidence. Come back in, be rusty, lack sharpness on the ball, stamina. I have never seen a player lose pace and get it back. He started 2 Villa games since November Sorry 3 he came off injured vs Norwich Edited July 10, 2022 by Zatman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Zatman said: yes but you know them Premier League pitches are different that only unique runners can run on the Premier League speed record is 22.2 miles per hour as proven by the tougher Premier League turf Just getting silly now, he may turn out to be the quickest player in the league, but if he cannot a) stay on his feet and b) stay fit it’s a mute argument. So far, he has done neither for long enough to evidence either of the “rapid or not rapid” arguments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 My theory behind his lack of speed is that he is hesitant to hit that top gear with the injuries he has been picking up, it's a mental thing that I'm sure we have guys working with him to overcome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 2 hours ago, villabromsgrove said: Did you not see his sprint back from the Man City penalty box in December? He over took the breaking city player like he was standing still .... then he pulled his hamstring! He has real undeniable pace. I’m not sure that counts as being speedy if he gets injured. He needs to be able to do a certain speed consistently every match without getting injured to say that’s his pace. Pace also isn’t really the main attribute that makes him or any player good. He needs to do something with that pace which helps win matches (consistently) to say the pace is useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, pete101 said: My theory behind his lack of speed is that he is hesitant to hit that top gear with the injuries he has been picking up, it's a mental thing that I'm sure we have guys working with him to overcome I don’t want him to hit top speed. I want him to be good when on the ball, whether that’s at a decent pace or at a slower pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted July 10, 2022 Visiting Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Tomaszk said: No we haven't. Hopefully we do this season. A tough, unpleasant pre-season for him, where he can condition his body could work wonders. Potentially our best player IMO. I was jealous/suprised/impressed you pulled it off as a signing last year, and even more suprised he was as poor as he has been. Used to watch him at Leverkusen with Diaby. He was a bit hit and miss in his last couple seasons but still good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Is he faster than Gabby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted July 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: Is he faster than Gabby? He’s faster than fuuuuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 I get the impression with Trezeguet gone and El Ghazi probably off too, Bailey is already being lined up by some fans as this year’s scapegoat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 3 hours ago, macandally said: He may have been quick in the Bundesliga, so far, he has looked nothing special in either speed or talent in the Premier League. Let’s all hope it’s fitness, but people arguing he is rapid on the basis of, “but, but, but he is cuz I say he is” is laughable. Bar the one moment v Everton, the guy has spent most of his time on his bum, usually because he has fallen over his own feet. The pressure put on him by his old man isn’t helping, he may have taken him off the streets of wherever, but it appears he is going to make sure people know it. You know no one is doing this right? People are basing it on what we've seen from his entire career. I'm not sure why that's being ignored. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 57 minutes ago, pete101 said: My theory behind his lack of speed is that he is hesitant to hit that top gear with the injuries he has been picking up, it's a mental thing that I'm sure we have guys working with him to overcome I think he was rushed back from his injuries more than once last season and this might be why he kept getting injured 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: You know no one is doing this right? People are basing it on what we've seen from his entire career. I'm not sure why that's being ignored. That bolded bit is amazing There's actual numbers and data that back up him being fast, the only stance reliant solely on "because I say so" is that he isn't. Edited July 10, 2022 by Indigo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted July 10, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 10, 2022 10 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Interesting. Didn't see that pace yesterday IMO. He didn't really have much of a chance to stretch his legs though. There were a couple of occasions, off the ball, where he was full pelt to either get into position or get and back and help. Seemed to just glide. On the ball he was tightly marked, but his footwork was really encouraging. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: There were a couple of occasions, off the ball, where he was full pelt to either get into position or get and back and help. Seemed to just glide. Wonder if he ever had any formal athletics training? The Jamaicans know how to sprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, Indigo said: That bolded bit is amazing There's actual numbers and data that back up him being fast, the only stance reliant solely on "because I say so" is that he isn't. We have had loads of players bought on stats that never reached those heights with us, I go back to the original statement, we haven’t seen that in a Villa shirt yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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