Sulberto21 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I love mavericks, renegades who don’t conform for the sake of entertainment. Never change sweet prince hopefully our sweet prince forever more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Erm this would be a ridiculous decision. Why would we loan him and pay him 70% of his wages? Surely bwttee to keep him on those terms? If its a sale and we can obtain between 10-20m then yeah he can go. Otherwise keep him here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Erm this would be a ridiculous decision. Why would we loan him and pay him 70% of his wages? Surely bwttee to keep him on those terms? If its a sale and we can obtain between 10-20m then yeah he can go. Otherwise keep him here We want to pay a maximum of 30% of his wages, according to the link/article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: We want to pay a maximum of 30% of his wages, according to the link/article. I think we should only loan him if there is a mandatory to buy end of season. Otherwise keep him. He can add something different to this squad. I suspect gerrard probably thinks he doesnt have the motivation to play the way he wants. As it involves a lot of hard work. Traore can be a bit lazy at times on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 How was he today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: How was he today? A tad too casual at key moments for me, including a couple of half chances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tom13 said: How was he today? Pretty awful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: How was he today? Same as ever Most disappointing thing for me is there was a couple of times where he could and should have pushed further up, he was in acres of space and was showing for the ball but our man on the ball also had acres in front of him to move in to, as a result the ball slowed down and went sideways to him instead of him busting a gut pushing the defensive line back and us being able to drive forward No impetus to him which OK it's a preseason friendly but probably the only excuse I've got for him is no matter what he does, if he busts a gut, if he doesn't bust a gut, his role in the team stays the same, he won't start, he's under no pressure to play well or impress 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I think we should only loan him if there is a mandatory to buy end of season. Otherwise keep him. He can add something different to this squad. I suspect gerrard probably thinks he doesnt have the motivation to play the way he wants. As it involves a lot of hard work. Traore can be a bit lazy at times on the pitch Mate you can’t keep someone around the place just in case we need him to ‘add something different’. If he ain’t part of the plans he has to go out on loan if can’t secure a permanent move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldVillan Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Stephen_Evans said: A tad too casual at key moments for me, including a couple of half chances. 5 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Pretty awful. Yeah I agree, he lost possession quite easily on a couple of occasions and didn't contribute anything of note. Thing is with Traore he can produce moments of sublime play so probably has a place in the squad but not sure we will ever find real consistency from him (not being a regular starter obviously doesn't help). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vazquez Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Great left foot he has, but way too predictable going forward. Can't go past from right side or cross the ball with his right foot. For someone so tall he is quite poor in winning defensive or offensive headers. Defensive liability. TBH always was against buying him, so probably have bias against his peformances as well, there have been some magical moments in past. Nevertheless I can't see anyone paying much more than 5M for his services. And I would be happy to loan him out, and integrate someone like JPB or KHH to the first team (and Bailey might be better on the right side as well). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 he seems to massively frustrate his teammates. their body language when he does Bertie things is very telling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: Same as ever Most disappointing thing for me is there was a couple of times where he could and should have pushed further up, he was in acres of space and was showing for the ball but our man on the ball also had acres in front of him to move in to, as a result the ball slowed down and went sideways to him instead of him busting a gut pushing the defensive line back and us being able to drive forward No impetus to him which OK it's a preseason friendly but probably the only excuse I've got for him is no matter what he does, if he busts a gut, if he doesn't bust a gut, his role in the team stays the same, he won't start, he's under no pressure to play well or impress I agree but he's staking his place in the team. It's not OK. Bust a gut or f*ck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Where is Bertie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Gerrard obviously not really a fan. Not sure he will be playing much this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 14 hours ago, YLN said: Where is Bertie? Eating lasagne in the garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Sad, real sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 We need to choose loan well here. He goes to euro league and does alright and we should be able to sell him for reasonable amount next summer. Send him to a league where teams can't afford to sign players much past 20p and he'll just be in same position. Likes of Villareal and Betis tend to pick up out of favour prem players and get them back into form so a mid table Spanish or Italian club is where I'd look to send him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Really like Bert and if he leaves will be sad to see him go, but to put a positive spin on it this means Cameron Archer gets his spot in the squad. Basically 6 forwards in Ings, Watkins, Coutinho, Bailey, Beundia and Archer, adding Chuckwemeka and Traore to that makes it bloated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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