TRO Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Everyone interested in goal involvement uses minutes per goal. That's not micro maths or pedantic stats. If 2 players play 3 games and one plays all minutes and other comes on twice as late sub last 5 mins for 170 less minutes playing time it would be wrong to judge latter's goal output if less because "they've both played 3 games." This is your completely flawed logic and argument I accept the logic. But if one player has played 600 games in his career and another has played 700 games in his career.....are you going to sift through all of them to work out how many minutes and how many penalties? I said in my post its a broad brush, I am aware that my comments are not rocket science, they are a general thumb rule, so I don't know what you are getting excited about. Also, if we apply the same approach to every player, the anomalies, wash out in swings and roundabouts........I never set out to create an ultra accurate set of unchallenging criteria. Even if you do it your way, other criteria could be used to challenge it......I think your comments are pedantic, mate. I never set out to make my stats any more than generalisations....but your interpretations (and others)are trying to portray them as literal. Edited February 8, 2022 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 17 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Everyone interested in goal involvement uses minutes per goal. That's not micro maths or pedantic stats. If 2 players play 3 games and one plays all minutes and other comes on twice as late sub last 5 mins for 170 less minutes playing time it would be wrong to judge latter's goal output if less because "they've both played 3 games." This is your completely flawed logic and argument So to get back on track to the original point......do you think Bertie is a beacon of consistency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 When he is "on it" he is a joy to watch (his "roll it in" goal v the baggies is one of my favourites of all time) but, as Tro says, he is just not on it often enough. I think you could level this comment at the majority of "wingers". He has definitely got more involved defensively since he has been here but not enough imho. I think this is symptomatic of why Stevie G looks to use two "10"s - because conventional wide players/wingers are typically not involved enough and in many games you are effectively playing with 9/10 players for much of the game. Gerard's system - like Klopp's and Guardiola's (although they are helped by having v good players!!) - negates this to an extent and ensures a more cohesive team performance. Man U, as an example, are still living in the past and looking for exciting wing play and for flair players to make the difference rather than for a cohesive team performance to win games, and this imho has been part of their downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 He is a useful squad player. He is not good enough consistently to oust anyone else in the midfield/forward areas so he will remain a sub. But he is deifinately the sort of sub you want to change things up. He is a plan B player, and you will need that. Plus I love him, despite his one footedness he has so much natural talent, he can be a joy to watch. ironically I think more game time would improve him and add that consistency. Without looking at stats, I think he played quite a lot for us last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Can’t wait to see Berty play for us again soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Is he available for selection Sunday ? Back to full fitness and had a decent tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Would be better option to bring on than carny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LondonVillian said: Would be better option to bring on than carny. Would be a decent option down the middle at times to. Edited February 10, 2022 by gwi1890 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Out for a few weeks with.. *drum roll* A hamstring injury. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post barry'sboots Posted February 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Awol said: Out for a few weeks with.. *drum roll* A hamstring injury. He makes Sanson look like Captain America! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, barry'sboots said: He makes Sanson look like Captain America! It's getting a bit weird, his body seems to break on contact with BMH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero7 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 The people that do our medicals need to take a serious look at themselves this guy is made of glass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 He may have played his last game here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 i dont see Bertie playing for us again at this rate tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 What a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 If a player is always injured what the point. May as well cut our losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 How can he get fit for every international and be injured for every club game in between Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted February 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just as he build himself up with a few games too! Must admit its impressive to actually injure yourself hours after getting off the plane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I really like Traore, but I do understand the need for more robustness in forward areas. For all his positives his biggest negative is the brittleness of him. He just cannot stay fit and you couldn't give him a run in the team even if you wanted to. I think he'll be going in the summer on that basis alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I think he could be sold in the summer. I do like him, he can look a world beater at times, and poor at other times, but with Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey and Chuck, plus young AJ and JPB here, I think he will go (along with Trez and El Ghazi) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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