Tom13 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, BOF said: Ollie has not become a bad player overnight and has 27 goals in the previous 2 seasons so he's not just an Emile Heskey hard working striker. I would expect he'll be one of the biggest improvements early doors. Problem is, even in his first season in a much better attack, he was frustrating to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 2, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, Tom13 said: Problem is, even in his first season in a much better attack, he was frustrating to watch. True to an extent. We know he's not a natural finisher so that can be frustrating, but that was a 16 goal PL-debut season. That's a good return in anyone's book. Well anyone except Haaland 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Give him a chance under the new manager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmirch Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Give him a chance under the new manager Watch him waste the chance. In typical fashion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 30/10/2022 at 19:50, Zatman said: same Tammy that has just 2 league goals this season playing in a supposedly weaker league? How many did he get the year before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: How many did he get the year before? When his XG was still really bad compared to Watkins Watkins is statistically a better finisher than Tammy. Tammy just gets a bucketload more chances because he plays in a better midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Works hard. Never hides. I'd more inclined if I was Emery to back a lad like Ollie than others in the squad who don't want to work anymore. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: When his XG was still really bad compared to Watkins Watkins is statistically a better finisher than Tammy. Tammy just gets a bucketload more chances because he plays in a better midfield If i was a betting man i reckon tammy would have scored more than two league goals for all the chances watkins has missed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: If i was a betting man i reckon tammy would have scored more than two league goals for all the chances watkins has missed. Except Watkins league XG this season is 5 and Tammy is 7 and both have 2 goals So no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, Zatman said: Except Watkins league XG this season is 5 and Tammy is 7 and both have 2 goals So no Its just a opinion i have. Tammy would thrive in this team with these players and manager. Im hoping watkins can now. If he is still as shit as he has been under emery then he has to be sold either January or the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted November 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2022 Emery will love his work ethic, and Ollie with his confidence back is a more than decent striker, yes he will miss loads but he's capable of a 15-20 season regardless. Stevie G ball crucified a man who was already struggling for form, and when he did get chances he blew them. There is a part of it that is still on him, but he's a hard worker, a larger part of his problem was out of his control. I think he can thrive under the new manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Blows my mind that "workrate" can still be used to differentiate between players. Maximum effort should be the default setting and criteria such as ability, form or tactical suitablility should be the differentiator for a manager when choosing his team Dudes are getting paid £50k pw + to have a career that millions have tried and failed to reach. And yet we praise someone for working hard for the 90 minutes that we see them at work. Pathetic stuff really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Probably sounds like a silly thing to say about a striker, but I’d argue that his control is more of a problem than his finishing. So many chances are made difficult or break down because of his poor control. If he can work on that he will be much better for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Just now, TheMelvillan said: Blows my mind that "workrate" can still be used to differentiate between players. Maximum effort should be the default setting and criteria such as ability, form or tactical suitablility should be the differentiator for a manager when choosing his team Dudes are getting paid £50k pw + to have a career that millions have tried and failed to reach. And yet we praise someone for working hard for the 90 minutes that we see them at work. Pathetic stuff really Not sure about than. What about the hundreds of players in the league than don’t work as hard? It’s more pathetic that most players, many of whom earn 2/3 times what Ollie does do not work as hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 minute ago, TheMelvillan said: Blows my mind that "workrate" can still be used to differentiate between players. Maximum effort should be the default setting and criteria such as ability, form or tactical suitablility should be the differentiator for a manager when choosing his team Dudes are getting paid £50k pw + to have a career that millions have tried and failed to reach. And yet we praise someone for working hard for the 90 minutes that we see them at work. Pathetic stuff really agree and disagree work rate is one thing but then having an engine and being able to run all day is something different, Ollie can run all day operating either channel and stretching defence Ings cant, doesn't mean one is working harder than the other, id also say that mcginns work rate is great but his efficiency with it isn't, he's almost like a busy fool at times but all of that is where the performance monitoring comes it to it, they have metrics for work rate and efficiency agree with @av1 too, a lot of his poor finishing such as the chance or maybe 2 chances vs leeds are actually due to a poor first touch which benefits the keeper more than it benefits him, he creates bad angles for himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanVilla Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Emery will love his work ethic, and Ollie with his confidence back is a more than decent striker, yes he will miss loads but he's capable of a 15-20 season regardless. Stevie G ball crucified a man who was already struggling for form, and when he did get chances he blew them. There is a part of it that is still on him, but he's a hard worker, a larger part of his problem was out of his control. I think he can thrive under the new manager. This 15-20 goals gets mentioned a fair bit almost as baseline for a decent prem striker. Which is a bit harsh considering only Mane, Ronaldo, Salah, Kane and Son got more than 15 goals last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 34 minutes ago, SeanVilla said: This 15-20 goals gets mentioned a fair bit almost as baseline for a decent prem striker. Which is a bit harsh considering only Mane, Ronaldo, Salah, Kane and Son got more than 15 goals last year. Watkins got 11 last season without penalties so he wasnt that far off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 49 minutes ago, TheMelvillan said: Blows my mind that "workrate" can still be used to differentiate between players. Maximum effort should be the default setting and criteria such as ability, form or tactical suitablility should be the differentiator for a manager when choosing his team Dudes are getting paid £50k pw + to have a career that millions have tried and failed to reach. And yet we praise someone for working hard for the 90 minutes that we see them at work. Pathetic stuff really Still, one of the most important things to have in a team.....but not just as simple as that. You have to work smart, you can run aimlessly around the pitch and some will mark that down, as working hard....its not, in my book, aimless running, is hiding for me. I take running as a pre-requisite, as you say, a given....working hard for me, it making it as difficult as possible for the opposition to function, and ecking out opportunities, to punish them. Ollie for me, runs around a lot, but doesn't necessarily work smart, and he doesn't attack the ball, he is reactive, as opposed to proactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, av1 said: Probably sounds like a silly thing to say about a striker, but I’d argue that his control is more of a problem than his finishing. So many chances are made difficult or break down because of his poor control. If he can work on that he will be much better for it. Someone else has said it but wonder if that is a result of Ollie coming up through the leagues, playing at a physical but less technically demanding level. Different to other players who maybe have come through the academies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 22 hours ago, MrSmirch said: Watch him waste the chance. In typical fashion. Yep. That's giving him a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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