ml1dch Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: You make out as if i just watch youtube videos. A incorrect assumption on your part mate No, I'm making out that you are grossly misusing the word "research". I'm quite happy to accept that your sources of choice could have been picked from any corner of the internet. Unless I am assuming incorrectly, in which case I'm more than happy to see your methodology, the evidence that you collected and analysed and the conclusions that you have drawn from it. Otherwise, what you've done ain't research. Edited January 27, 2021 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 27, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2021 I heard the virus came from giant cylinders fired down on earth from Mars. There's one on the common right now. The army are building giant tripod machines to destroy them. I think thats right anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted January 27, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 10 hours ago, BigJim said: If scientists can show that the virus was absolutely not artificially engineered, fine. But that of itself is NOT proof that this particular virus did not escape from the Wuhan lab 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: How do you/we know science didnt create the virus? Russell's Teapot is an analogy, formulated by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making unfalsifiable claims, rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Genie said: Yes, the bats part is fine. Is it impossible that the virus didn’t somehow leak out of the research facility? I’m not saying it did, I am just keeping an open mind because of the fact there was a facility where this virus could have potentially existed as part of scientific experimentation right at the location of the outbreak. I’m certainly not suggesting it was released deliberately. Yeah the more credible conspiracy is that the virus was found in a mine/cave a number of years back and was brought to Wuhan for study. It was so infectious it managed to escape their quarantine at the end of 2019. There is an article here discussing the previous virus that had killed a number of miners: Quote It was found that RaTG13/CoV4991 was collected from Tongguan mineshaft in Mojiang, Yunnan, China, in 2013. Surprisingly, the same mineshaft was also associated with a severe pneumonia-like illness in miners in 2012 killing three of the six miners. A Master's thesis (in the Chinese language) was found on the cnki.net website which described in detail the severe illness in miners. The thesis concluded that a SARS-like CoV originating from Chinese horseshoe bats (Rhinolophus) was the predicted causative agent. The cases were remotely monitored by a prominent pulmonologist in China. Retrospective analysis of the pneumonia cases shows striking similarities with COVID-19. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.581569/full The Chinese government are being very protective of anyone wanting to investigate that mine. Quote Deep in the lush mountain valleys of southern China lies the entrance to a mine shaft that once harbored bats with the closest known relative of the COVID-19 virus. The area is of intense scientific interest because it may hold clues to the origins of the coronavirus that has killed more than 1.7 million people worldwide. Yet for scientists and journalists, it has become a black hole of no information because of political sensitivity and secrecy. A bat research team visiting recently managed to take samples but had them confiscated, two people familiar with the matter said. Specialists in coronaviruses have been ordered not to speak to the press. And a team of Associated Press journalists was tailed by plainclothes police in multiple cars who blocked access to roads and sites in late November. Edited January 27, 2021 by LondonLax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Genie said: I don’t think anybody has shared a definitive source of the virus so we’re all just speculating on the credibility the various hypotheses. Saying that, I am more than a little bit suspicious that there is a huge virus research lab in the same city as the source. I’d be surprised if that didn’t have any part to play in this whatsoever. Exactly all speculation no evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: No, I'm making out that you are grossly misusing the word "research". I'm quite happy to accept that your sources of choice could have been picked from any corner of the internet. Unless I am assuming incorrectly, in which case I'm more than happy to see your methodology, the evidence that you collected and analysed and the conclusions that you have drawn from it. Otherwise, what you've done ain't research. No point every time i even suggest anything certain posters get uptight. Thats why i dont post my opinions on this topic anymore (not saying you btw) I only posted because i was tagged in a post ! But my belief is that i think there is more to it than wuhan. Am i claiming my opinion is 100% correct? Most certainly not but until i have seen concrete proof (which lets be realistic lets say hypothetically the americans were behind it we would never know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 27, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Exactly all speculation no evidence Here we go again, you have affirmed your opinion based on something someone else said that fits your argument whilst ignoring the scientific evidence presented It is not all speculation. It is as close as science can get to fact. Covid-19 derives from a Bat Coronavirus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 27, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: No point every time i even suggest anything certain posters get uptight. Thats why i dont post my opinions on this topic anymore (not saying you btw) I only posted because i was tagged in a post ! But my belief is that i think there is more to it than wuhan. Am i claiming my opinion is 100% correct? Most certainly not but until i have seen concrete proof (which lets be realistic lets say hypothetically the americans were behind it we would never know) That concrete evidence is posted in this very thread, you are choosing to ignore it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 27, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: I doubt a country (Communist especially) would risk it's very existence by messing about with things that could kill their people / nation. Not sure if serious. Every major nation on the planet (and lots of small ones) have nuclear, chemical and biological weapons research and capabilities. Not only do countries risk their very existence by messing about with things that could kill their people, they've made a massive industry of it and they celebrate the success of that industry publicly and proudly. Barack Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize whilst signing off on the production of more Nuclear weapons than any man in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 27, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 27, 2021 @Demitri_C without wanting to be funny about it, if China or the US had created this virus, it'd be more effective than it is. As a weaponised disease, it's rubbish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 27, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2021 19 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Exactly all speculation no evidence There's significantly more evidence for what the scientists say than for what you and other conspiracy theorists say. It aint a zebra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted January 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 He'd probably done his own research. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 It comes down to burden of proof yet again. 'I think you spend your weekends **** your dog' 'No I don't that's absurd' 'Prove that you don't' '....' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted January 27, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, ml1dch said: He'd probably done his own research. God that is so sad. What is going wrong with the world where people are convinced to turn their back on science. We're going to regress back to the Stone age. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, sidcow said: God that is so sad. What is going wrong with the world where people are convinced to turn their back on science. We're going to regress back to the Stone age. It’s a terrifying state of the world. An expert isn’t to be trusted because they must have a vested interest. The furniture salesman on Facebook talking a virus and vaccines speaks a lot of truth because he has no agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 33 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: There's significantly more evidence for what the scientists say than for what you and other conspiracy theorists say. It aint a zebra Its not a competition Regardless of that its still not proven evidence either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 44 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: @Demitri_C without wanting to be funny about it, if China or the US had created this virus, it'd be more effective than it is. As a weaponised disease, it's rubbish. I would say this is a very effective virus though to be honest mate the amlunt of damage this has done its crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 49 minutes ago, bickster said: That concrete evidence is posted in this very thread, you are choosing to ignore it! Putting words in my mouth. Im not ignoring i just dont believe its Enough evidence Anyway thats my final comment on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: Not sure if serious. Every major nation on the planet (and lots of small ones) have nuclear, chemical and biological weapons research and capabilities. Not only do countries risk their very existence by messing about with things that could kill their people, they've made a massive industry of it and they celebrate the success of that industry publicly and proudly. Barack Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize whilst signing off on the production of more Nuclear weapons than any man in history. In a massive city like Wuhan is not the place to do it even for them ? If you don't like my post fine. if serious ? as oppose to what. Shall I delete it ? My reply to your post is, "nice one. I didn't know all that". I will read only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 27, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: In a massive city like Wuhan is not the place to do it even for them ? In the US, the major Chemical weapons research facility is located at Aberdeen, about 20 miles from Baltimore and 50 miles from Philadelphia in one of the more populated areas of the country. I'm not surprised that China's facility is attached to a major city. Quote If you don't like my post fine. if serious ? as oppose to what. Shall I delete it ? My reply to your post is, "nice one. I didn't know all that". I will read only And yeah, sorry, my response was a bit snarky - apologies for being a knob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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