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[fightoffyour]

1 hour ago, MakemineVanilla said:

So what about my theory that a person's taste for music is established between adolescence and early adulthood, and that, they are more or less get stuck with whatever they were exposed to at that time?

I tend to like more music from those ages yes, and that’s not without trying to give a lot of new music a fair crack.

[il_serpente]

A lot of the music I like best is from before I was born or when I was a few years old.  I also like a lot of stuff that came out when I was in my 30's and 40's.  I probably listen to less from my adolescence and early adulthood than those other two, although I will say that there's not that much that I appreciate that came out when i was in my 50s.

[Mark Albrighton]

12 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I have the same problem with Maltesers. Loved them years ago but they give me an horrible feeling on my teeth . I love crunchies though. 

Yeah I like crunchies too and can eat them no problem, which is why I’m not completely sure what it is about the chocolate/honeycomb combination of Maltesers that’s causing the unpleasant feeling on my teeth.

[mjmooney]

11 hours ago, MakemineVanilla said:

So what about my theory that a person's taste for music is established between adolescence and early adulthood, and that, they are more or less get stuck with whatever they were exposed to at that time?

Absolutely true for me. As I have said on here many times, it is my conviction that the greatest era for music was 1967 to 1973. '67 saw the birth of psychedelic and progressive rock (other genres such as folk, country and soul were also blossoming), but by '73 the momentum had largely fizzled out, with the advent of frothy nonsense like glam rock and disco. Is it a coincidence that 1967 to 1973 were the exact years when I was a teenager? Probably not. I won't repeat here my wordy thesis on the damage wrought by punk and the atrocities of the 1980s (you've heard and argued against it many times before), but although I have enjoyed  - and continue to enjoy - vast amounts of music produced right up to the present day, it's fair to say that it's almost all in the pre-punk 'tradition' - young bands playing old styles, essentially. All the new developments in music after the punk watershed (post punk, dub reggae, rap/hip hop, motorik, post rock, shoegaze, metal, etc. - even much of what passes for folk or 'alt-country') leave me pretty cold - they inspire at best indifference and at worst extreme loathing. 

As for music from before 'my' time, no problem. I love stuff from right back through the 20th Century - especially jazz and classical - and indeed all the way back to renaissance and mediaeval music. 

You may shake your heads at my supposed closed mind, but save your pity, I'm extremely happy with the massive variety of music available to me. And I fully accept that had I been born 10, 20, 30 years later, my tastes would have been totally different. 

It doesn't matter. We should all enjoy what we enjoy, and don't waste valuable time trying in vain to like what others tell us we should. 

[MakemineVanilla]

9 hours ago, il_serpente said:

A lot of the music I like best is from before I was born or when I was a few years old.  I also like a lot of stuff that came out when I was in my 30's and 40's.  I probably listen to less from my adolescence and early adulthood than those other two, although I will say that there's not that much that I appreciate that came out when i was in my 50s.

That is certainly true in my own case and I started to struggle to find any appeal with stuff which was universally praised from the late 1990s, Radiohead, say.

 

[bickster]

31 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

dub reggae

Pre-punk not post and guess what... it started right in your sweet spot, 1967 when King Tubby started releasing his experiments as B-side to singles

There, that's you converted to Dub now  No more excuses!

[blandy]

3 minutes ago, bickster said:

Pre-punk not post ...

There, that's you converted to Dub now  No more excuses!

Same applies to Motorik. Another convert!

[bickster]

Also the term Dub Reggae is also a nonsense. King Tubby was releasing dubs in 1967, the first recognisable reggae records weren't released until 1968. It's Dub, its a genre on its own. Yes it became heavily based on the reggae scene but it pre-dates it and dubs do not have to be reggae based, not now, not then, not ever.

[lapal_fan]

Oh look, the same 10 people bringing music up and discussing it again in a thread not related to music 

[bickster]

5 minutes ago, lapal_fan said:

Oh look, the same 10 people bringing music up and discussing it again in a thread not related to music 

Oh look the same person talking bollocks again (The Snobs® never started it.) In fact a self confessed non-music person started it 

[lapal_fan]

@mods, please can you have a word with the curly, sandaled one? 

12 month ban would suffice   

[bickster]

9 minutes ago, lapal_fan said:

@mods, please can you have a word with the curly, sandaled one? 

12 month ban would suffice   

Off topic, this I would argue is a very popular opinion

[mjmooney]

Sorry, staying on music for the moment (if the mods want to move this into the music thread, fine by me). I'm not going to get into nitpicking over when dub reggae started - I knew that. But all the reggae I ever heard in 'my' era was the singles stuff that made the pop charts (Desmond Dekker, Jimmy Cliff, etc.) - and I rather liked it. I knew the 'heavy' stuff existed, but I only noticed it being cool alongside what The Clash et al were popularising after '76. Much the same goes for krautrock and (George Clinton style) hard funk. 

But I digress. With amusing serendipity, just after my post, I received out of the blue a message from a music-loving ex-workmate (a decade or so younger than me), whom I hadn't heard from in years. Here's his message: 

[bickster]

50 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

I'm not going to get into nitpicking over when dub reggae started

It isn't nitpicking, they are two entirely different beasts with a hell of a lot of crossover. Not all reggae is dub and not all dub is reggae

[Rugeley Villa]

16 hours ago, MakemineVanilla said:

So what about my theory that a person's taste for music is established between adolescence and early adulthood, and that, they are more or less get stuck with whatever they were exposed to at that time?

Maybe so . My grandad was far more diverse than I am , but being brought up listening to his heavy rock collection certainly impacted me. Come to think of it, it was his favourite type of music, too. I’ve branched out slightly , but not much. 

[Rugeley Villa]

Reggae started with Bob Marley then finished with UB40 . End of chat. 

[Seat68]

3 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

Reggae started with Bob Marley then finished with UB40 . End of chat. 

Bullshit. The greatest of all reggae groups (pronounced Reggie) was The Police. 

[mjmooney]

1 hour ago, bickster said:

It isn't nitpicking, they are two entirely different beasts with a hell of a lot of crossover. Not all reggae is dub and not all dub is reggae

OK, not nitpicking, but it does at least demonstrate my point that it's outside my area of knowlege (and interest). What I've heard of it - while it doesn't provoke the same adverse reaction as rap - does nothing for me at all. 

[bickster]

1 hour ago, Seat68 said:

Bullshit. The greatest of all reggae groups (pronounced Reggie) was The Police. 

There are people that genuinely think the Police are a reggae band. I've heard it many times... "White Reggae innit"

*loads shotgun*

[MakemineVanilla]

1 hour ago, Rugeley Villa said:

Maybe so . My grandad was far more diverse than I am , but being brought up listening to his heavy rock collection certainly impacted me. Come to think of it, it was his favourite type of music, too. I’ve branched out slightly , but not much. 

I found that when reading rock biographies, there is always a page or two about how the subject was influenced by their parents' or sibling's record collection, which is always surprising because they all too often don't conform with the genre the artist in question is associated with.

So presumably, if we end up with good or bad taste in music, we can apportion praise or blame, where appropriate.

Edited November 29, 2021 by MakemineVanilla