Chine Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, striker said: I can assure you I’m not posting to get attention. It’s my honest opinion on both players. I’ve watched Luiz in every live game on Sky. For the life of me I cannot see what all the buzz is about. Yes he’s a very tidy player but for me Prowse affects the game more. I suggest you go and have a rewatch, then come back and edit your post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 26/08/2023 at 17:52, striker said: Every player is available at the right price. And every cliche is available for Tom -Tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I used to think Luiz lacked pace but in comparison to Prowse he looks like Usain Bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 The argument for JWP v Dougie falls over when you look at their valuations. JWP gets sold for 30m, 30m doesn't even get you Dougie's left foot. Plus DL has 4 years on JWP, is far more mobile, better technique, awareness, vision, skill, range of passing and is far more suited to our style of play. The proof is in the pudding anyway. If us or any of the top clubs thought it would have been 30m well spent on JWP, he wouldn't have gone to WH. Good player but not DL level, not in a million years. There is a very good reason DL is linked to the likes of Liverplop, Arsenal etc, and why JWP stayed at Southampton so long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 hours ago, striker said: I can assure you I’m not posting to get attention. It’s my honest opinion on both players. I’ve watched Luiz in every live game on Sky. For the life of me I cannot see what all the buzz is about. Yes he’s a very tidy player but for me Prowse affects the game more. Luiz had more assists last season, only 1 less goal when you ignore penalties (Luiz doesn't take, Ward-Prowse does), more goal creating actions per 90, equal shot creating actions per 90 from live ball situations, better pass completion, better defensive stats. But yeah, Ward-Prowse affects the game more. The only area Ward-Prowse betters him is shot and goal creating from set pieces, where he is top level to be fair. Perfect for a Moyes team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, avfc1982am said: The argument for JWP v Dougie falls over when you look at their valuations. JWP gets sold for 30m, 30m doesn't even get you Dougie's left foot. Plus DL has 4 years on JWP, is far more mobile, better technique, awareness, vision, skill, range of passing and is far more suited to our style of play. The proof is in the pudding anyway. If us or any of the top clubs thought it would have been 30m well spent on JWP, he wouldn't have gone to WH. Good player but not DL level, not in a million years. There is a very good reason DL is linked to the likes of Liverplop, Arsenal etc, and why JWP stayed at Southampton so long. To be fair they wanted a lot more for him when he was the Premier League. I think we were even prepared to pay large sums for him. We all know Dougie is the better player but I think JWP will be a big player for West Ham this season. Just seems to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) Wrong quote sry. Edited August 29, 2023 by LxYoungAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) On 26/08/2023 at 18:54, striker said: Prowse better than Luiz. Prowse affects the game more. Edited August 29, 2023 by LxYoungAVFC 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) Twitter evaluation of Doug 40m fair price. Deluded much (Liverpool fan) Edited August 29, 2023 by birdman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: To be fair they wanted a lot more for him when he was the Premier League. I think we were even prepared to pay large sums for him. We all know Dougie is the better player but I think JWP will be a big player for West Ham this season. Just seems to fit. What you want and what a player is worth are 2 different things though. Which is precisely the reason why nobody came in for him and paid their valuation. I think JWP fits perfectly for WH as you say but if he was as influential or as good as proclaimed, his fee even 2 years ago would've been affordable and he'd have been picked up by the clubs competing in Europe. Not languishing in a Southampton side on the slide to the Championship. Even this summer at 30m he would've had better suiters than WH. He'll do well at WH but as for an upgrade on DL..... that's just absolute nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 What’s happening with links with him to Liverpool? Any mention of a release clause? Or nothing to worry about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 minute ago, abdulaziz1 said: What’s happening with links with him to Liverpool? Any mention of a release clause? Or nothing to worry about? I do worry he has a release clause in that new deal he seemed to sign out of the blue. If he doesn't, we're fine. Klopp has taken control of the transfers at Liverpool and that's why they're having a shocker recently. You can't be a good first team manager in 2023 and be across all transfers, there's too much to do. Liverpool bid £110m for Caicedo. So guess what the price for Doug is? £110m. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 My worry with liverpool speculating around the 40m mark is it's so far off the value.... I really hope we didn't stick in a release clause around this price when he signed the new contract. That contract came out of now where and it was pre Unai. Pure speculation be user in bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said: My worry with liverpool speculating around the 40m mark is it's so far off the value.... I really hope we didn't stick in a release clause around this price when he signed the new contract. That contract came out of now where and it was pre Unai. Pure speculation be user in bored. If it's £40m someone would have done it already I think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chine Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: If it's £40m someone would have done it already I think. This is my view also , I think we’d have a queue around the block if £40m was the opener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 No way city are bidding 80 mil for paqueta if they can get Luiz for 40 million. I'm pretty confident Luiz doesn't have a buy out clause for under 100 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Hey @JurgenKlopp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 3 hours ago, abdulaziz1 said: What’s happening with links with him to Liverpool? Any mention of a release clause? Or nothing to worry about? It’s empty speculation. They can't afford him regardless. No talk of release clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 hours ago, MotoMkali said: No way city are bidding 80 mil for paqueta if they can get Luiz for 40 million. I'm pretty confident Luiz doesn't have a buy out clause for under 100 million. Unless it’s actually Paqueta they want to sign. Where’s all this 40m clause talk come from anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, LxYoungAVFC said: Hey @JurgenKlopp With a 50 million buy back clause and 75 percent sell on clause Edited August 29, 2023 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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