Popular Post avfc1982am Posted August 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2023 Just now, Made In Aston said: With the vast improvement in sports science, technical coaching and professionalism in the modern game, it's pretty unlikely many of earlier era players would get anywhere near the PL. Back in the day George Best was considered a great technical player, but if you watch clips of him vs foden or sterling you will clearly see that they are light years ahead of him in that regard. He also wouldn't have been able to match the athleticism required for the league, given his drinking issues and lifestyle. Your missing the point and changed the narrative somewhat by picking a total pisshead as an example against your ideal modern day comparison. You give the players from that era the dietary education, the improvements in coaching and all the advantages your affording todays players and they also go up levels in regards to the overall athlete. Your dismissing players of the past based on the advantages of the modern era. Dismissing natural ability and the fact that players in past were also skillful and technically gifted and in some instances far better than players of now. Playing on a carpet, wearing lighter boots and all the comforts of modern football doesn't necessarily make a better footballer. The idea that someone like Dennis Mortimer who led the club in Europe, a consummate professional, and fit asf yet not as good as Mustapha Salifou, or Steven Ireland is laughable in any era. 2020-21 - Nakamba, Lansbury, Drinkwater, Hourihane, Trez, Ghazi, some seriously average players in there... in any era. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkiller1981 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 9 hours ago, choffer said: That moment when he feinted and sold it to the Hibs player who did a cartwheel past him was beautiful. Edit - It's not quite as devastating as I remember it but it's still pretty good - at the end of this clip: What’s clear for me is any side that gives Doug that space is getting destroyed. You can’t give him that time to pick his passes or he just picks you off but then he is that good that you press him he shows for it plays a little lay off and we are through the press. Really impressive player and some of this one twos with mcginn and kamara were disgustingly filthy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 I will gladly admit to having been completely proved wrong about him. In the latter stages of the Smith reign I doubted his long term future here as I didn’t think he functioned well in a midfield alongside McGinn- I still don’t think he has got quite enough energy to play single pivot. But in emery’s system he’s been truly spectacular so fair play to him 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I am very suprised citeh havent tried getting luiz back tbh As they lookinh for a cm Don't even put that into the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 On 23/08/2023 at 11:31, Tom13 said: You know it's a good pen when the keeper goes the right away and he can't reach it. Precision! Not too long before that a lot of fans wanted him sold. Gerrard has the football intelligence of your average fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I am very suprised citeh havent tried getting luiz back tbh As they lookinh for a cm I love Luiz but this is another example of our supporters not appreciating the levels city’s players are at. Luiz is quality, Rodi is on another level. Edited August 24, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I love Luiz but this is another example of our supporters not appreciating the levels city’s players are at. Luiz is quality, Rodi is on another level. De bruyne injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 23 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: De bruyne injury My point is I don’t think Luiz is on the levels they will be looking based on what they would have to pay for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 45 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I love Luiz but this is another example of our supporters not appreciating the levels city’s players are at. Luiz is quality, Rodi is on another level. He is, Rodri is unbelievable, but I don't think Dougie's that far off him judging by his form of the last few months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Not too long before that a lot of fans wanted him sold. Gerrard has the football intelligence of your average fan. You are doing 'average fans' a disservice there mate! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, Tom13 said: He is, Rodri is unbelievable, but I don't think Dougie's that far off him judging by his form of the last few months. I love Dougie, have done since day one. I just think he is too important to us so if they came in for him they would have to pay stupid money for him which is why we don’t have to worry. He signed a new contract because he wants to be here. There is no release clause. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 34 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: My point is I don’t think Luiz is on the levels they will be looking based on what they would have to pay for him. They were looking at paqueta. Luiz is twice the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: They were looking at paqueta. Luiz is twice the player. No he’s not. They are both very good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I love Dougie, have done since day one. I just think he is too important to us so if they came in for him they would have to pay stupid money for him which is why we don’t have to worry. He signed a new contract because he wants to be here. There is no release clause. Not saying they'd get him, just comparing him to Rodri. But you can't say there isn't a release clause unless you have inside info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: My point is I don’t think Luiz is on the levels they will be looking based on what they would have to pay for him. But Calvin Phillips is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 25, 2023 Author Share Posted August 25, 2023 14 hours ago, Made In Aston said: With the vast improvement in sports science, technical coaching and professionalism in the modern game, it's pretty unlikely many of earlier era players would get anywhere near the PL. Back in the day George Best was considered a great technical player, but if you watch clips of him vs foden or sterling you will clearly see that they are light years ahead of him in that regard. He also wouldn't have been able to match the athleticism required for the league, given his drinking issues and lifestyle. It depends how you are going to look at it. The best players in any era are the top 1% of players available at any given time. They would likely still stand out if they were brought up in any other era as ‘the cream rises to the top’ so to speak. However, if you are just going to take a player from one era and plonk them in another, then you’re going to have trouble getting a fair comparison because of all the extra money and science that goes into producing the current players compared with earlier times when it was virtually a ‘semiprofessional’ sport. It’s a bit like comparing a professional sport to an amateur one or even a ‘clean’ player to one who has been doping etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Always felt he was a quality player. The blips have been down to being utilised in the wrong position or the wrong formation. Being dropped for no reason by Gerrard. Being given a defensive role that asked nothing of his creativity or ability on the ball. He does need someone on his wavelength and with more defensive characteristics alongside him, something we didn't really have until Kamara came and then the clown refused to use then together except on rare occasions when they both looked excellent. Prior to that it just about worked alongside Nakamba, but he wasn't on the same wavelength and anyone else we had was too offensive. Play him in the right position, alongside the right type of players, and he shines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 2 hours ago, macandally said: But Calvin Phillips is? So you think we’d let Luiz go for 40m? Wish people would read the ‘based on what they would have to pay for him.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 12 hours ago, Made In Aston said: You are doing 'average fans' a disservice there mate! I swear there are still fans who think Scott Parker would do a job in midfield for some reason, so I'm not sure he is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 25, 2023 Visiting Supporter Share Posted August 25, 2023 19 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I am very suprised citeh havent tried getting luiz back tbh As they lookinh for a cm What does that tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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