Visiting Ram Posted May 22, 2019 Visiting Supporter Share Posted May 22, 2019 45 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Not using Var for such a big game makes no sense to me. We have used it twice away at Southampton and away at Brighton in the fa cup - cost us one very good goal as they decided that our players arm was offside - not that an arm can score a goal apparently 43 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I can’t speak for your on loan players but Mings and Abraham are up there as 2 of the most committed players we have. Fair enough our three are as well 37 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: Not to mention that villa are in a stronger position to go up. Derby's best players are loanees who will leave the club at the end of the season. Villa, on the other hand, would still have Grealish, Mcginn , Hourihane, El Ghazi , Hause and possibly Mings. Tammy has also intimated that he might be here next season. That's a good nucleus to take on the Premier league with. Our loan players are decent but I am not sure you can say they are our best players but from an outside view I would say Mings has been your best player followed by Abraham in my personal opinion and obviously there are plenty of other decent ones just like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 4 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: I don't know what to think this year, interestingly despite the odds, most neutrals I speak with seem to think Derby will win. I think this largely based on the semi final performances tbh, and for those of us that live around Birmingham (black country in my case) there is also the rivalry aspect to take into account. Baggies, sha and Wolves fans are all desperately hoping we lose. I was speaking to a Wolves fan today who said he had seen absolutely nothing from Villa to suggest we could beat Derby, it turns out he had only watched both semi finals. I asked him if he felt that rather than judging the outcome of Aston Villa v Derby on a game against WBA, would it not be wiser to look at the 2 league meetings between Villa and Derby when we comfortably won both? That just confused him and he changed the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Visiting Ram said: We have used it twice away at Southampton and away at Brighton in the fa cup - cost us one very good goal as they decided that our players arm was offside - not that an arm can score a goal apparently Fair enough our three are as well Our loan players are decent but I am not sure you can say they are our best players but from an outside view I would say Mings has been your best player followed by Abraham in my personal opinion and obviously there are plenty of other decent ones just like us. Jacks our best player mate. Under Smith when Jack plays we normally win. Mings and Abraham have of course been very important too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, av1 said: I think this largely based on the semi final performances tbh, and for those of us that live around Birmingham (black country in my case) there is also the rivalry aspect to take into account. Baggies, sha and Wolves fans are all desperately hoping we lose. I was speaking to a Wolves fan today who said he had seen absolutely nothing from Villa to suggest we could beat Derby, it turns out he had only watched both semi finals. I asked him if he felt that rather than judging the outcome of Aston Villa v Derby on a game against WBA, would it not be wiser to look at the 2 league meetings between Villa and Derby when we comfortably won both? That just confused him and he changed the subject. This reminds me of the Leeds fans that were saying they didn’t fear either us or Albion after watching the semi finals.... Edited May 22, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Jacks our best player mate. Under Smith when Jack plays we normally win. Mings and Abraham have of course been very important too. I've got a feeling that this game is going to hinge on Jack v Mount. Whoever has the biggest influence on their team wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Jacks our best player mate. Under Smith when Jack plays we normally win. Mings and Abraham have of course been very important too. Shhhh. Don't tell them about J*hn McG*nn... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Visiting Ram said: not that an arm can score a goal apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) To be honest the Semi final aside the only time I have seen Derby play is at Elland Road in the league and twice against us. The second half and first half against us are probably 2 of the weakest performances I’ve seen from any team we have played this season. They were so open and fragile it’s hard to believe it’s the same team in the final. edit: saying that under Smith we were the same vs Wigan and Shef United for 80 minutes. Maybe we just managed to catch Derby on two off days? Edited May 22, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Ticket came yesterday... shitting it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 22, 2019 All this analysis is inevitable, but none of us has a clue as to how it's actually going to pan out. You can be the form team or the underdogs, you can have all the play, or spend 90 minutes with your backs to the wall. But the game could swing on a moment of brilliance, an accidental slip, a refereeing error... I'm trying not to think too much about it. Que sera, sera... whatever will be will be. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 49 minutes ago, spiezels said: Ticket came yesterday... shitting it I'd see if you can get a replacement, that doesn't sound quite right 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted May 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: Let year it went right. Massive massive blessing in disguise losing that game. Now is the time to win. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I think we need to be careful about putting Derby as underdogs and our 2 convincing performances against them as proof this is easy. Derby beat Norwich away ,West Brom away(4-1)and Sheffield Utd at home.They beat Man United away in the cup and have in the last 4 games beaten Leeds , West Brom and Bristol away. I think this game is 50:50 .They have been in the top 6 for most of the season and seem to be able to raise their game above their basic ability and have a a lot of momentum going into this game. Lampard portraying us as clear favourites puts pressure on us on top of the general pressure of the game is a master stroke. If our players play to their maximum and we play like we were playing during our great run we will win.I am concerned about our right side,Abraham’s fitness (I think he dislocated his shoulder against Bolton),El Ghazi and Ramadan,Hourihane or Whelan. This is giving me sleepless nights. Delivery from set pieces could be essential for this game where Derby have weaknesses in this area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealisticRam Posted May 22, 2019 Visiting Supporter Share Posted May 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Visiting Ram said: Our loan players are decent but I am not sure you can say they are our best players but from an outside view I would say Mings has been your best player followed by Abraham in my personal opinion and obviously there are plenty of other decent ones just like us. It's a good point made by Visting Ram: Tomori and Keogh have been miles ahead of anyone else in the team for consistency. Keogh won players' player of the season, Tomori won fans player of the season. Bogle, Mount, Waghorn and Holmes in particular have been all excellent since February/March time. Johnson has done well too, in all fairness. Wilson is a highlight reel player, but he's actually been off the pace in the latter part of the season. He's just got an end product which works out great for us, but he is definitely a cause for frustration more often than not. I don't really mind for the PO final though as he's exactly the type of player to score a goal out of nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmirch Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I hope we bring the good Dr Xia back for one of those inspirational team talks... NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefdoc2000 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 15 hours ago, av1 said: I think this largely based on the semi final performances tbh, and for those of us that live around Birmingham (black country in my case) there is also the rivalry aspect to take into account. Baggies, sha and Wolves fans are all desperately hoping we lose. I was speaking to a Wolves fan today who said he had seen absolutely nothing from Villa to suggest we could beat Derby, it turns out he had only watched both semi finals. I asked him if he felt that rather than judging the outcome of Aston Villa v Derby on a game against WBA, would it not be wiser to look at the 2 league meetings between Villa and Derby when we comfortably won both? That just confused him and he changed the subject. that's the mistake Leeds made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 13 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: I am looking forward to it unfolding but I dont mind the wait. These next few days are my safety net where we still dont know and have a chance, whereas when its done and if something goes horribly wrong then its a long long summer of misery without even a world cup to take my mind off of it. So week/weekend..drag on all you like. World Cup starts one week today and it's being hosted right here in England. Finishes on the 14th of July, so the new season starts just 3 weeks later I feel sorry for non Cricket fans 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 If you're a non Cricket fan... You're wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 4 hours ago, chefdoc2000 said: that's the mistake Leeds made... I think you've misunderstood my point. I'm not underestimating Derby due to our record against them, i was just pointing out that it's utterly ridiculous to suggest 'I've seen nothing from Villa to make me think they can beat Derby' after beating them twice this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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