Risso Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 He was lucky to remain employed first season back, and then the pandemic lockdown saved him. Can’t see him being so lucky a second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, VillaFaninLondon said: Genuinely has to go now, he's taking us backwards. Awful manager. Awful manager who’s taken us from the bottom half of the Championship to mid table in the Premier League?! Yes it’s been crap tonight, painfully crap. But this kind of attitude pisses me off more than the crap served up today. I get it it’s football so everything has to be instant success but I have no time for comments like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
string28 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 You cant defend this end of. Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 He'll be gone if we don't win any of our next 4 (West Ham, Southampton, Brighton, Palace). Won't win any of those given how our general standard of performance currently is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: Awful manager who’s taken us from the bottom half of the Championship to mid table in the Premier League?! Yes it’s been crap tonight, painfully crap. But this kind of attitude pisses me off more than the crap served up today. I get it it’s football so everything has to be instant success but I have no time for comments like this. I’m sure you’ll get over it. Smith out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Looks like he's reached his ceiling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, tom_avfc said: Awful manager who’s taken us from the bottom half of the Championship to mid table in the Premier League?! Yes it’s been crap tonight, painfully crap. But this kind of attitude pisses me off more than the crap served up today. I get it it’s football so everything has to be instant success but I have no time for comments like this. I'm sorry but it's true. Worst performance I've seen from any Villa manager in a decade and that includes under shite managers like Lambert, McLeish, Garde and Sherwood. He was out of his depth without Grealish last season and he is again this season. The defence last season was clearly Terry's work not Smith's as there have been no personnel changes there. He's a nice guy but a very poor manager, the reason behind his successes have been he's taken over Villa at a very favourable time. If he'd managed under Lerner he wouldn't have lasted a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, VillaChris said: He'll be gone if we don't win any of our next 4 (West Ham, Southampton, Brighton, Palace). Won't win any of those given how our general standard of performance currently is. If they give him that long I'll wonder what their general ambition is for this football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, VillaFaninLondon said: I'm sorry but it's true. Worst performance I've seen from any Villa manager in a decade and that includes under shite managers like Lambert, McLeish, Garde and Sherwood. He was out of his depth without Grealish last season and he is again this season. The defence last season was clearly Terry's work not Smith's as there have been no personnel changes there. He's a nice guy but a very poor manager, the reason behind his successes have been he's taken over Villa at a very favourable time. If he'd managed under Lerner he wouldn't have lasted a year. So everything positive was somebody else’s work and everything crap is his doing? I get it. Terrible last 10 minutes at wolves and terrible game tonight I completely agree. Awful manager? Nah I’m not having it. I’m sure 14th in the championship was the most favourable time to take over a struggling team. To then take that team to the premier league that season, keep them up, reach a cup final and push on to mid table doesn’t scream out awful manager to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 All the coaches out in the summer and then this horror show in the past three games. Something is going on. I’ve been a big fan but this is getting worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
string28 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 We cant blame players all the time we just cant this is just not good in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Enough is enough - time for a change of manager - dean has taken us as far as he can , time to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, VillaFaninLondon said: If they give him that long I'll wonder what their general ambition is for this football club. I think up to December is fair enough. Still half a season left. Probably be one of those seasons where we'll muddle through and string out odd wins here and there so I'd expect us to beat Southampton and perhaps Brighton, maybe draw from West Ham. What isn't acceptable is just blindly accepting 7-8 winless runs because we do that every season under DS. Eventually we're going to have to be better than that to properly progress. Edited October 22, 2021 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: So everything positive was somebody else’s work and everything crap is his doing? I get it. Terrible last 10 minutes at wolves and terrible game tonight I completely agree. Awful manager? Nah I’m not having it. I’m sure 14th in the championship was the most favourable time to take over a struggling team. To then take that team to the premier league that season, keep them up, reach a cup final and push on to mid table doesn’t scream out awful manager to me. He took over a team that was underachieving with billionaire owners who if promoted would haver very high levels of investment. I don't rate him and I don't think his achievements are at all worthy given the net spend. He hasn't once instilled a style of play into this team and again tonight he's decide to play long ball and 5 at the back. His time is up IMO and I hope the owners really go for a top quality manager who can get the best out of a talented squad. Edited October 22, 2021 by VillaFaninLondon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, VillaFaninLondon said: He took over a team that was underachieving with billionaire owners who if promoted would haver very high levels of investment. I don't rate him and I don't think his achievements are at all worthy given the net spend. He hasn't once instilled a style of play into this team and again tonight he's decide to play long ball and 5 at the back. His time is up IMO and I hope the owners really go for a top quality manager who can get the best out of a talented squad. He’s been a very good manager for us who will rightly come under pressure if results and performances don’t improve. I fear that the top quality manager that you’re after may not be tempted by the project at Villa and the “talented squad” that to me still looks paper thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 DCJonah is going to hear boss music when he enters this thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, VillaChris said: I think up to December is fair enough. Still half a season left. Probably be one of those seasons where we'll muddle through and string out odd wins here and there so I'd expect us to beat Southampton and perhaps Brighton, maybe draw from West Ham. What isn't acceptable is just blindly accepting 7-8 winless runs because we do that every season under DS. Eventually we're going to have to be better than that to properly progress. November international break - give a new man time to assess it before the Jan window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 He needs to play the formation and style he truly believes in. Not trying to shoehorn players into an unfamiliar shape and compromising on the fundamentals of his own philosophy. We haven’t looked remotely like a Dean Smith team lately. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, VillaChris said: I think up to December is fair enough. Still half a season left. Probably be one of those seasons where we'll muddle through and string out odd wins here and there so I'd expect us to beat Southampton and perhaps Brighton, maybe draw from West Ham. What isn't acceptable is just blindly accepting 7-8 winless runs because we do that every season under DS. Eventually we're going to have to be better than that to properly progress. That's the problem, if we string out wins here and there and he keeps his job because of it it's even worse. I never want my team to lose 7 or 8 in a row but right now if that's what it takes to have a change I think I want it. I just don't trust this manager any more. We are now 8 points down on last season and been hammered by a very average team that Palace should have beaten just 4 days ago. Even the extra 2 days rest has done nothing for us. Smith won't take us any further and we're not even standing still, we';re going backwards. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, VillaFaninLondon said: That's the problem, if we string out wins here and there and he keeps his job because of it it's even worse. I never want my team to lose 7 or 8 in a row but right now if that's what it takes to have a change I think I want it. I just don't trust this manager any more. We are now 8 points down on last season and been hammered by a very average team that Palace should have beaten just 4 days ago. Even the extra 2 days rest has done nothing for us. Smith won't take us any further and we're not even standing still, we';re going backwards. I'm not a big fan of Smith at the moment myself but if you want to see us lose 8 in a row so we get a new manager then i think you need to re-evaluate some things. That is just absolutely ridiculous. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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