StefanAVFC Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I don’t have an issue with the line as such, I have an issue of the frame they used to draw the lines. they moved it during the check, and a white blur where the ball is played isn’t enough to determine which frame should be used my biggest issue with it is that they use it primarily to rule out goals rather than positively to make goals happen. It always feels like they’re looking for a reason to rule out rather than a reason to give. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, Stevo985 said: I’ve posted the picture showing it’s drawn from his heel. You’re still saying it’s not. Yes as for me, it’s the solid blue line is not in the correct position. Agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 13, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, Tommo_b said: Yes as for me, it’s the solid blue line is not in the correct position. Agree to disagree. That’s fine. But you’re wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 13, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2022 I think that image is clear enough, despite the blurriness. Hopefully we get a higher quality image to clear it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I think that image is clear enough, despite the blurriness. Hopefully we get a higher quality image to clear it up The blurriness is more of an issue with the still frame used to draw the lines. Which white blur for the ball is to be used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I’m thinking they might need a sensible soccer type view of the pitch to call these off side decisions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mantis Posted February 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2022 The thing that's most irritating is this whole "taking 4 minutes to chalk off a goal" thing. That's not what it's supposed to be for. It's being used to manipulate the outcome of games. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I don’t have an issue with the line as such, I have an issue of the frame they used to draw the lines. they moved it during the check, and a white blur where the ball is played isn’t enough to determine which frame should be used my biggest issue with it is that they use it primarily to rule out goals rather than positively to make goals happen. It always feels like they’re looking for a reason to rule out rather than a reason to give. My biggest issue is that they’re even drawing lines in the first place. Pre VAR we’d have got one replay of that goal, a comment saying “looked level” and we’d have moved on. Today we got to look at Geordie morons crossing their fingers and praying as some bloke in a van drew some arbitrary lines and then jumping around in celebration as yet another goal that would previously stood got chalked out. This terribly exciting process also seemed to take a good 3 or 4 minutes. Is this supposed to be adding to football as these line drawing decisions in particular are making me struggle to watch the game. If you’d told me 5 years ago that I’d be watching people celebrating lines being drawn on a screen I’d have questioned what it was that I was watching as it certainly wouldn’t have sounded like football to me. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demitri_C Posted February 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2022 I hate var. The death of football. It robs you of a celebration its utterly shit 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post turvontour Posted February 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2022 Surely no football fans want this rediculous process of the lines, either for or against them? I'd quite happily have a goal given against us that if you use a ruler and take an age to assess might have been fractionally wrong, as we would equally have goals like today given. Theres nothing sadder than having all the players lined up to take kick off, the score on the screen changed to reflect that goal, to then be dragged back to a free kick and goal chalked off. Surely no one wants that, or atleast the majority dont want it? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, turvontour said: Surely no football fans want this rediculous process of the lines, either for or against them? Nope, thats why the automation will be good and it will look like this apparently being trialed soon i think 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 13, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Nope, thats why the automation will be good and it will look like this apparently being trialed soon i think Yep been saying this myself for a while. Works like in video games. Instant decisions. Best of both worlds. Accuracy but without the delay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Tommo_b said: I’m thinking they might need a sensible soccer type view of the pitch to call these off side decisions. That’s a fantastic idea! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I hate var. The death of football. It robs you of a celebration its utterly shit It's okay for Watkin's, he don't celebrate anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, PieFacE said: Nope, thats why the automation will be good and it will look like this apparently being trialed soon i think That's a brilliant system, proves just by that demo, most abject offsides via the lines are not actually offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Mantis said: The thing that's most irritating is this whole "taking 4 minutes to chalk off a goal" thing. That's not what it's supposed to be for. It's being used to manipulate the outcome of games. Even the free kick they scored from that he gave as a penalty took about 2 minutes when it was clear that it was outside the box. Its an absolute joke Stockley Park must be paid by the minute 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 3 hours ago, foreveryoung said: It's okay for Watkin's, he don't celebrate anyway. In fairness he must have the record for the most VAR disallowed goals in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Zatman said: In fairness he must have the record for the most VAR disallowed goals in the league Would make you not want to celebrate wouldn’t it, specially if one of your best attributes is running in behind the defence… might be why we see him not doing that so much this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) On the dotted line drawn from the heel, it only places the solid blue line where it assumed it is in 3d space. That dotted line could be as long or as short as it needed to be to place the solid line wherever they wanted. It’s not necessarily correct to just assume that line is drawn accurately. Now I don’t know if the VAR system uses another camera from behind the goal to calculate the height of the foot and position on the X axis (assuming offside is on the Y). From what I remember when they demo’s the system, it wasn’t what they did. It was an assumption made on perspective from the referee. If you halved the length of the dotted line drawn assuming Burns foot is slightly further left relatively to newcastles defensive line than assumed in the image - which I think is the case - then it becomes a hell of a lot closer to level. Edited February 14, 2022 by a m ole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) The thing I don't understand is why the default TV camera angle is the one used when showing offsides. They have cameras absolutely **** everywhere in a ground - they can zoom in and out and flip things round when reviewing whether a ball has crossed the line... why isn't that sort of camera used to show the offside decisions? It's all a bit baffling. Edited February 14, 2022 by bobzy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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