Chindie Posted May 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Wainy316 said: Slim and none like Brexit or slim and none like Trump? Slim and none like a country that leans Tory anyway being offered Tory Tories (however unlikable) and a left option with questions all over it's leader and leading figures and a hostile press hammering those questions all day every day. There's another poll doing the rounds showing a Tory super majority despite the crap campaign. It'll be closer than the Tories would like, because they've run a hopeless campaign under a vile leader pushing a shit manifesto, but the odds of a hung parliament are long. They'll increase their majority IMO. I just hope it's not a super majority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 31, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 31, 2017 54 minutes ago, bickster said: Unless the SNP get into bed with the Tories, because the Tories promise them a new referendum, Cutting Scotland free from the union and giving the Tories power for the next however many decades... just a thought That's some bad s**t you took there, bro. Step away from the cutlery drawer and have a nice little sit down in the sunshine. Cast those black thoughts aside. Every little thing gonna be alright. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 31, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, blandy said: That's some bad s**t you took there, bro. Step away from the cutlery drawer and have a nice little sit down in the sunshine. Cast those black thoughts aside. Every little thing gonna be alright. Yeah I took the blue pills man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 If all of those newly registered and previously flakey young people do actually vote, it'll be interesting. I've a feeling they'll be a much increased turnout in that demographic. I'm cautious about social media, but there is a real buzz about Corbyn that wasn't there for Milliband. He's almost a cult figure for many young people. If they turnout in the same amounts of old folk it'll make things interesting. Latest yougov poll if only under 40s voted it would be a Labour majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Chindie said: The whole 'politician forgot his figures' gotcha! thing is increasingly tiresome. It doesn't tell anyone anything. It's game playing. Yes it's embarrassing, but for it actually means? They forgot something. Great? I prefer to think of it as a basic competency test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Risso said: I prefer to think of it as a basic competency test. Labour actually costed their manifesto. The Tories didn't, how does that sit with your competency test ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2017 I think that's harsh. People make mistakes. I've fumbled things in a meeting before now. If that is the hallmark of basic competency there'd be a lot of people getting the sack. Even more harsh in this case he's not sure of the figure, embarrassing sure, but goes to check to be clear, and gets slaughtered. Nonsense. And I don't even particularly support the bloke. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Chindie said: I think that's harsh. People make mistakes. I've fumbled things in a meeting before now. If that is the hallmark of basic competency there'd be a lot of people getting the sack. Even more harsh in this case he's not sure of the figure, embarrassing sure, but goes to check to be clear, and gets slaughtered. Nonsense. And I don't even particularly support the bloke. He was there to talk about that policy, and didn't have the most important figure to hand. And having seen how the media went for Abbott, it should have been drilled into him. It's inexcusable incompetence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Chindie said: I think that's harsh. People make mistakes. I've fumbled things in a meeting before now. If that is the hallmark of basic competency there'd be a lot of people getting the sack. Even more harsh in this case he's not sure of the figure, embarrassing sure, but goes to check to be clear, and gets slaughtered. Nonsense. And I don't even particularly support the bloke. I guess it depends on the context. In my line of work, if someone asked me, say, "what's your total savings target for the year?" and I didn't know, then they'd be rightly pissed off. If they asked me "what are you projected savings for November in one of our French sites?" and I didn't know, then it would be understandable and I'd be expected to have to check. I also think it matters how it's handled. it's much better, imo, to admit not knowing and checking as opposed to just fumbling around and guessing. I've no idea how this applies to the Corbyn situation as I haven't seen it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Risso said: He was there to talk about that policy, and didn't have the most important figure to hand. And having seen how the media went for Abbott, it should have been drilled into him. It's inexcusable incompetence. I disagree. He's made a embarrassing mistake, forgotten the figure, and had to check. Far from incompetence IMO. But I understand you're uncharitable. What did you make of Tories errors, like getting HS2 costs tens of billion wrong? Or setting aside under 7p for school breakfasts? That strikes me as far more incompetent. One is a lie, and the other is outright moronic and published. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The figures are out there, in the public domain, fully costed. Sounds very competent to me. How desperate are the Tories to smear Corbyn that they resort to this, when they haven' t even the decency to show the electorate any costings at all !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, peterms said: Baring in mind the usual caveats about polls, but interesting all the same: Is that a coalition of chaos I see before me..... As bad as the Tories have done I really don't see any way they won't get a majority, Labour will still lose seats. Imagine if that did happen though....May is a terrible leader but remember the alternatives last summer, Leadsom, Boris and Gove. Suddenly Hell looks appealing. Edited May 31, 2017 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted May 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2017 Frankly, a memory for numbers isn't in the top 10 things I look for in a potential Prime Minister. Ideally he'd recall the cost of each and every policy, at the drop of a hat, but wanting to double check falls far short of "inexcusable incompetence". As others have mentioned, not being sure, having a guess, and being wrong by £20,000,000,000, or about 40%, as the **** chancellor no less, is incompetent. Maybe Hammond should have had a quick look at his iPad instead of blurting out a number he thought sounded right. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Corbyn did lie about the fact he had the figures on hand when he didn't. Both leaders have made mistakes but we all know the one reason that stop Labour is finance, whether or not we can trust them with our money. The mistake in not knowing how much their childcare policy will cost is one that should have bene avolided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I guess it depends on the context. In my line of work, if someone asked me, say, "what's your total savings target for the year?" and I didn't know, then they'd be rightly pissed off. If they asked me "what are you projected savings for November in one of our French sites?" and I didn't know, then it would be understandable and I'd be expected to have to check. I also think it matters how it's handled. it's much better, imo, to admit not knowing and checking as opposed to just fumbling around and guessing. I've no idea how this applies to the Corbyn situation as I haven't seen it. It was a combination of this. He forgot the cost for the policy he was talking about and had to check it. It is embarrassing, but these things happen. He didn't chuck an incorrect figure out, he looked and confirmed it. You also have to bear in mind this against the backdrop of a televised debate the night before that was very important, and in the middle of a campaign with figures everywhere. I can't call that incompetent. Its a mistake. He shouldn't have made it, but these things happen and he handled it correctly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Chindie said: It was a combination of this. He forgot the cost for the policy he was talking about and had to check it. It is embarrassing, but these things happen. He didn't chuck an incorrect figure out, he looked and confirmed it. You also have to bear in mind this against the backdrop of a televised debate the night before that was very important, and in the middle of a campaign with figures everywhere. I can't call that incompetent. Its a mistake. He shouldn't have made it, but these things happen and he handled it correctly. Telling a lie is handling it correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Risso said: Telling a lie is handling it correctly? Where was the lie? That he had the figures but had to check? And then checked? Edited May 31, 2017 by Chindie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, bickster said: Unless the SNP get into bed with the Tories, because the Tories promise them a new referendum, Cutting Scotland free from the union and giving the Tories power for the next however many decades... just a thought Weren't the Tories saying Milliband was going to do exactly the same in 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 She asked "I persume you have the figures" he answered "yes I do" that was a lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) There seems to be more being made out of this fumble/lie than the big lie of the £350m per week to the NHS that the leave campaign peddled. Edited May 31, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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