blandy Posted April 11, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Awol said: What’s the source on that mate? I just selected Tony's text "British intercepted a coded message to Moscow from one of its listening posts in Cyprus" and googled it and got a whole bunch of links, Awol. They point to, the Sunday Express reporting it. Quote On the day of the poisonings, March 4, one was sent from a location near Damascus in Syria to “an official” in Moscow including the phrase ‘the package has been delivered” and saying that two individuals had “made a successful egress”. This prompted a young Flight Lieutenant to recall a separate message that had been intercepted and discounted on the previous day. What it said has not been revealed but sources say it became relevant once the Skripals were attacked. The intercepts were automatically shared with the Government communications headquarters GCHQ in Cheltenham. more on link, though not anything of major revelation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Awol said: What’s the source on that mate? I read it on Flipboard so can’t rem the exact source , will try and find it , but arse also referenced it on one of their threads of course our Russian agent blogger friend Mr Murray has already blamed it on a mistranslation Edited April 11, 2018 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Awol said: The Russian ambassador to Lebanon has stated that if any missiles are fired at Syrian targets in response to the latest chemical weapons attack they will shoot them down and directly target the firing platforms (aircraft, ships, subs). Basically he’s threatening war against the West. I suspect that’s a very ballsy bluff, but ramps things up to the point the US cannot really back down without a massive loss of face and a huge PR win for Moscow. . . . or, to put a different spin on it, 'suggests that in addition to being illegal in domestic and international law, launching missiles at Syria would also be a stupid idea as a potential trigger for a World War 3'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 7 hours ago, blandy said: I just selected Tony's text "British intercepted a coded message to Moscow from one of its listening posts in Cyprus" and googled it and got a whole bunch of links, Awol. They point to, the Sunday Express reporting it. more on link, though not anything of major revelation That's not a source. That's a media outlet reporting what they've been told. Second hand information at best or outright propaganda at worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 11, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 minute ago, villakram said: That's not a source. That's a media outlet reporting what they've been told. Second hand information at best or outright propaganda at worst. Totally. And of all the papers - the Express - it's not a paper, it's an unthinking UKIP propoganda rag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, villakram said: That's not a source. That's a media outlet reporting what they've been told. Second hand information at best or outright propaganda at worst. The express wasn't the source that I got it from tbf there is an element that it doesn't sound true , i.e Why Damascus to Moscow .. would the people in Cyprus have the know how to decipher it , but the article said that it wasn't just British intelligence that intercepted it , other countries had as well and appear to have reached the same conclusion that we allegedly did ..hence why (or at least a part of the why) they were willing to back us on our action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: . . . or, to put a different spin on it, 'suggests that in addition to being illegal in domestic and international law, launching missiles at Syria would also be a stupid idea as a potential trigger for a World War 3'. presumably the reason for the warning is so Russia can get all it's people and hardware out the way and then the US can throw a shit loads of missiles at some buildings and goats whilst appearing tough to the watching crowd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 OPCW confirm substance used in attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal was Novichok. Over to Craig Murray... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 12, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2018 Surprised it's taken then this long to work it out. They just needed to check the rota to see that Dave was on propaganda spy killing that day, and he loves some exotic Russian nerve cocktails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Awol said: OPCW confirm substance used in attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal was Novichok. Over to Craig Murray... I admit I'm not following this as forensically as I could be so may well be wrong, but I didn't think that "what the substance was" is really disputed, even amongst the wilder and more fringe theories about what happened, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 That was my first thought as well. I thought we knew what was used, just not 100% sure it was the Russian government who used it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 07:25, blandy said: That’s quite profound. I like it. Apparently no two democracies have ever gone to war against each other, and now that (sort of) international money has usurped democracy, maybe you’re right. Yep, jut get yourself down to Knightsbridge. All the Russians going about their shopping in Harrods could be used as posh human shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 12, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Awol said: OPCW confirm substance used in attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal was Novichok. Over to Craig Murray... Well, as of yesterday the daughter, Yulia, he claims has been essentially kidnapped (held incommunicado against her will and under duress) by the authorities and the statement she made she didn't make, someone else did. So I imagine that he will parrot the Russian line and say the OPCW findings aren't valid because Russia didn't make them and it's all a conspiracy (I mean, isn't everything?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, blandy said: Well, as of yesterday the daughter, Yulia, he claims has been essentially kidnapped (held incommunicado against her will and under duress) by the authorities and the statement she made she didn't make, someone else did. So I imagine that he will parrot the Russian line and say the OPCW findings aren't valid because Russia didn't make them and it's all a conspiracy (I mean, isn't everything?) Yup, poor fella is off the deep end. Also worth remembering Russia had never even heard of Novichok before Paddington Bear (freelancing for MI6) put it in Skripal’s marmalade. Furry little Peruvian b******. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: I admit I'm not following this as forensically as I could be so may well be wrong, but I didn't think that "what the substance was" is really disputed, even amongst the wilder and more fringe theories about what happened, no? Russia denied Novichok (a Russian word) even existed, or if it did it, was certainly nothing to do with them, or the defector scientists who invented it in and for Russia, before fleeing to the West with the recipes... It’s important that an independent body has said the UK was correct as regards the chemistry of the substance used, it won’t quieten the fruitier parts of the internet but closes off another avenue of evasion i.e. the UK is lying about the type of substance, or there was no substance at all, or ad Infinitum BS.... OPCW’s remit was only to ID the substance, not get involved with attribution. UK allies seem utterly convinced by the intelligence they’ve been shown on that front. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 So the U.S will attack syria within the next few days, that could be the start of ww3, let's hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 12, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 12, 2018 What would you say is the optimum TV window for the US to do this in for maximum impact? I suspect breakfast numbers would be lower at the weekend, so maybe Saturday teatime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 13, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 13, 2018 10 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: What would you say is the optimum TV window for the US to do this in for maximum impact? I suspect breakfast numbers would be lower at the weekend, so maybe Saturday teatime? A quick phone call to Fox will give the General in charge his orders "Launch at 18:05 but if you could make sure there's no impact before 18:22 as that's when we come back from an ad break" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Russia claim proof that attack was done by another countries security services. Obvious fake news... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2018 They'll be delighted to usher through an investigation, no doubt, in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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