AvfcRigo82 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: That Scott Hogan is pretty good isn't he? Nope and I am not sure if it's been mentioned already but he's shite and had a shit Villa career. Hopefully a new club awaits.. Edited January 29, 2019 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 30 minutes ago, hippo said: If we don't sign anyone it will be because all of the backroom staff trying to get the Hogan deal over the line. Understandable. Whhhhat do you say now? That's a leap of logic or hyperbole and I can't work out which it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Is he gone yet? See ya Scott, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, weedman said: On Hogan's runs, someone said earlier that there's a difference between work rate and intelligent movement and that is absolutely right. Compare him with Tammy Abraham, both run their socks off, but somehow Tammy is always in the right place at the right time. None of his goals are 30 yard screamers, you don't see him beat 3 or 4 players and smash a ball into the top corner, he scores so many goals because every time the ball comes into the box he's there to tap it in. He has great movement and great work rate - I'm sure it was on the weekend he started a move from a cross field pass from the left back position, immediately sprinted the length of the field and was waiting for McGinn to slip him in, completely unmarked (he scuffed a shot at the keeper instead). Compare with Hogan, he runs a lot as well, but when the balls in the box he's never quite there, he's always a few yards off the pace, marked out of the game by a defender or just in a position where he'll never receive the ball. Not only would he never be capable of linking the play the way Tammy does, but even if he did he wouldn't get into a position to finish the move because he doesn't make those intelligent runs. Running around a lot doesn't make a good footballer unfortunately Yep, I think it was me. Or at least I was saying a similar thing. His workrate is excellent. But his movement is not intelligent. There's a reason that Abraham is always in the right place in the right time, yet he doesn't run as much as Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: Whhhhat do you say now? That's a leap of logic or hyperbole and I can't work out which it is. ??? Read it again ..think humour !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap of Steel Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Don't mind if he leaves permanently, but we can't be loaning him out on a subsidised deal to a play-off rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted January 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, hippo said: It is Thanks for your clear and well reasoned argument The point I was making was that as a STH at Brentford at the time, I know that Hogan was not a flash in the pan, 6 month wonder there. He was much more than that and very highly rated. If you disagree with that, I have no problem with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, choffer said: Thanks for your clear and well reasoned argument The point I was making was that as a STH at Brentford at the time, I know that Hogan was not a flash in the pan, 6 month wonder there. He was much more than that and very highly rated. If you disagree with that, I have no problem with that. Should be plenty bids around the £9m mark then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted January 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) On 18/10/2018 at 01:33, bannedfromHandV said: I'm not and it has little to do with my opinion of Hogan either - Hogan summed himself up for me on two occasions last night, one was a semi-difficult pass he failed to control (semi-difficult generally speaking, should be bread and butter for a professional) and the other was a cross he hit 35 yards over the bar - neither of which have anything to do with tactics in my opinion, we're talking basics here. I'm defensive over unnecessary criticisms of SB, not generally. I was asked around a week before he went what my opinion was and I stated I thought it best he went, his leaving became inevitable for all concerned and his decision making became strange, at best. So no, I am not sad or angry that he's no longer Manager but equally, I find it difficult to not react to stuff that is just plain wrong. Like how now, Brentford apparently played us off the park this season (they truly did not), how SB should have used more of our youngsters (who?!) etc etc. Once that stops I'll stop, simples. I'd normally steer clear here, but.... I agree with 100% re the Bruce and Hogan connection. I don't think Steve Bruce is a very good manager, that we know. I am on one of the few it seems however that don't blame SB for Hogans poor contribution. Hogan in my opinion is crap! I have never seen anything about Hogan that gives me any confidence that he will score 5 goals a season let alone 20. He is a small team striker completely out of his depth. If Hogan at some stage leaves and goes to another club and scores 20 goals I'll tell the world I'm wrong. It won't happen. Really if BfHV and I agree that is all the the evidence you need Edited January 29, 2019 by Villan_of_oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Imagine he scored bags of goals and gets sheff united up? That's the risk therefore I think a fee and wages of its a loan.wt them have him for 4m of that gets rid of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Imagine he scored bags of goals and gets sheff united up? That's the risk therefore I think a fee and wages of its a loan.wt them have him for 4m of that gets rid of him I think he will hinder them and eventually sit on the bench. Could be a good move for us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Yep, I think it was me. Or at least I was saying a similar thing. His workrate is excellent. But his movement is not intelligent. There's a reason that Abraham is always in the right place in the right time, yet he doesn't run as much as Hogan. I think that’s debatable too. Hardly seems to get stuck in or try rough up defenders. Saying that he hasn’t really had an opportunity this season due to Tammys form. Edited January 29, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldVillan Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I'm firmly on the fence with this one; 100% agree that is time at Villa has been very disappointing to say the least, one five game period aside, he's either been very poor, substitute or injured. He was definitely the wrong signing at the wrong time. A player that really struggled in a 'system' that didn't suit his game. Is that Hogan's fault? Is that Bruce's fault? I would say a bit of both to be honest. A player does need to try to adapt his game to get game time, but asking him to come on as a substitute and hold up play whilst it was being hoofed up field was just plain ridiculous. With Smith coming in I was hoping that he would get the best out of him, the 'Brentford' Hogan but thus far it just isn't happening, playing one up top and the form of Tammy contributing to this, but also, lets face it he has been pretty terrible. As a striker (more than any other position I would say) you need to be brimming with confidence to get the best out of you and you can tell that he is bereft of this and it shows. I would love for him to find some form here as I think 'some' of the criticism is a little harsh but it doesn't look like it is going to happen so hopefully we can still get a decent fee rather than sending him out on loan, my worry is that he will go elsewhere and he will score goals. I guess time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 As above. I agree with WakefieldVillan. Confidence is massive for a footballer and he has little to none at present! I always thought he would be like a Christmas present that was underwhelming at first then one day you start to use it and find out that it is very useful and well thought out gift. It’s a shame it hasn’t worked out for both Villa and Scott. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think that’s debatable too. Hardly seems to get stuck in or try rough up defenders. Saying that he hasn’t really had an opportunity this season due to Tammys form. Yeah to be fair by workrate I meant ability to run around really fast. It's not necessarily effective workrate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 45 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yeah to be fair by workrate I meant ability to run around really fast. It's not necessarily effective workrate Isn’t all running workrate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Isn’t all running workrate? Yes. But it's not necessarily effective. John McGinn is incredibly effective with his workrate. Scott Hogan is not. (in my opinion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Off to Sheffield United on loan according to football insider. Undertaking medical as we speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Good luck to him, but not at the expense of us. Hopefully go there and add some ££ to his value. Finally will put the argument of whether it’s about the system and limited minutes or he’s useless and flash in the pan, to rest. Edited January 29, 2019 by GENTLEMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 If he leaves permanently...do we move this thread to other football or off topic ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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