Vive_La_Villa Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: Don't worry - the flip side of this will be posted when we next fail to win a game. Probably. Hopefully will depend on the nature of the defeat rather than the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: Don't worry - the flip side of this will be posted when we next fail to win a game. We could win 9 on the spin and when we lose the 10th game it'll be carnage on here. I've always leant towards giving Bruce more time but I was borderline a few months back but I think sometimes people (including me) forget how rotten to the core this club was. It takes time to change the whole culture of failure that resonated through the club. The job is still far from done but seems we have broken the back of it now and things are looking positive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted November 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, TRO said: Who are any of us to say, that this was not a part of his plan.....but we were just getting a little ahead of ourselves. The Bruce criticism was only justified, if folk felt it was necessary to give it......for me, i was prepared to wait and take a rain check......these things take time., only appreciated by the patient. todays game was much about containment in the first half and we opened up more in the second......but we got the win. In the early days of SB we was work in progress and to a lesser extent still are.....so the criticism of early days was premature in my view. Criticism of Steve Bruce's ability to get us promoted has always been premature. The criticism of his style of play is still justified and I think will remain so all season. But if it leads to promotion not one single fan should care. If we get promoted and fans are still moaning about how we did it then they are probably better off supporting Barcelona. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Criticism of Steve Bruce's ability to get us promoted has always been premature. The criticism of his style of play is still justified and I think will remain so all season. But if it leads to promotion not one single fan should care. If we get promoted and fans are still moaning about how we did it then they are probably better off supporting Barcelona. Exactly. 'Bruceball' has always been effective if not pretty on the eye in getting out of the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: The purchase of Hogan was a very expensive and very avoidable mistake. Ok some players just don’t work out, but we should have had enough knowledge of how he plays and said, good player but doesn’t suit the style we play. In general I’m greatly encouraged by our recent results and I can’t see that changing managers now would help particularly. That time has passed. My worry is, and always has been, that I fear that we’re not winning many games particularly convincingly and we could easily go on a poor run. Yes I know that can happen to any team, but the poor start has left us no room for manoeuvre. Results wise we seem to have turned a corner, but in my opinion not performance wise, and so that leaves us fragile. If we were dominating most games, like Newcastle last year and Wolves this year, then I’d be convinced we’d reached a different level. We’ve done well recently and I congratulate the whole team, including Steve Bruce for that, with the caveat that those results were all against average/poor teams. That’s not a criticism as you can only beat what is in front of you, however a few good results against some of the better teams in the division, starting with Leeds hopefully, would really boost confidence. If we can do that, then teams will really fear us and the team will have a deeper and more resilient confidence. Flat track bullies or real promotion contenders? We’ll find out soon enough. UTV. Dave, i think many folk were in favour of Hogan, so to now deem it as a mistake that was avoidable is very convenient. hindsight is an exact science. I think changing managers now would encourage men in little white coats to come and take you away haha. The convincing bit is notable but also an element of your own mind. I mean what is convincing, one mans convincing is not necessarily anothers. Wolves are in a purple patch and what is the point in comparing ourselves with them....we can finish second and go up. you make a sound point about you can only beat who is in front of you....but then your begrudging praise acts as a dampner. Just enjoy it. Edited November 25, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted November 25, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just gon' leave this here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Just gon' leave this here... That's all well and good but have you seen the state of the possession stats? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Just gon' leave this here... Not his fault but still a shame it's not in the PL. Keep it up Bruce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Just gon' leave this here... 4 wins and 1 defeat away from being highlighed as a kebab eating potatohead who's teams are rubbish to watch and has the tacticle nois of an Uber Cab driver ( according to a select few on villatalk). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Just gon' leave this here... Fair play to him. It will mean he is one our best ever managers outside of top flight football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 We've never had a manager with a win % higher than 50% Most of the better ones in recent history hover between 41%-45% (Saunders, Barton, GT MK1, BFR, Little, Gregory, MON) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted November 25, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Fair play to him. It will mean he is one our best ever managers outside of top flight football. No, it means he's one of our best ever managers. We've been way further down the leagues than this and managers haven't got the record he has at the moment. You can only beat what's in front of you. Right now, that's what he's doing. EDIT - I don't want to get into a "best ever managers" debate here, because I don't feel like I could say that about him. He's got one of our best ever win %age records though, and when he came in that was something we could only have wished for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Xela said: We've never had a manager with a win % higher than 50% Most of the better ones in recent history hover between 41%-45% (Saunders, Barton, GT MK1, BFR, Little, Gregory, MON) True but surely you have to compare managers in like for like leagues. Otherwise it's meaningless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Thrilled we managed to overcome the last "easy fixture" with a positive result. Next three will be the real test. Having watched Leeds easily beat Barnsley tonight, I'm quite worried, as they have the players to seriously hurt us. Bruce will have to come up with something different come Friday. Don't think they'll fear us, and an overcautious approach will almost certainly backfire. We need to make life difficult for them, by not allowing them too much possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: True but surely you have to compare managers in like for like leagues. Otherwise it's meaningless. Of course yes, I was just making a point in general. If Bruce ends this season with a win ratio of 60% then while it will be great, I won't consider it to be the best of all time for Villa Similar to when Kodija nearly scored 20 league goals last year - its not as impressive as doing it in the top flight 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just now, NurembergVillan said: No, it means he's one of our best ever managers. We've been way further down the leagues than this and managers haven't got the record he has at the moment. You can only beat what's in front of you. Right now, that's what he's doing. So he is better manager for us than one that delivers the Division one title or European Cup or any trophy because his win percentage is higher? I know you don't mean that I and I don't want to take the win percentage achievement away from him. But right now it means F all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, vreitti said: Thrilled we managed to overcome the last "easy fixture" with a positive result. Next three will be the real test. Having watched Leeds easily beat Barnsley tonight, I'm quite worried, as they have the players to seriously hurt us. Bruce will have to come up with something different come Friday. Don't think they'll fear us, and an overcautious approach will almost certainly backfire. We need to make life difficult for them, by not allowing them too much possession. We will lose some games you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: True but surely you have to compare managers in like for like leagues. Otherwise it's meaningless. Well no. We're in the Championship and he has had to work with the resources of a Championship club. Vs other Championship clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: We will lose some games you know? I hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted November 25, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2017 Credit where credit is due. If he keeps this us up its madness to keep rattling on. My grandma, may she rest in peace, had a fantastic saying for situations like this. Whenever I complained about something she would say, 'it's better than a kick in the teeth, so quit moaning' So Bruce is better than a kick in the teeth. Get us promoted! UTV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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