kiltorken Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Henry was only the second assistant coach for Belgium, he was below Graeme Jones who was actually the first assistant coach. Maybe we should go after Graeme Jones instead, thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: No, not especially Yeah, you're right,. What was I thinking? Being mentored by one of the finest attackers this country has ever seen, who is known to be highly intelligent, deeply knowledgeable about current football in a global sense or continuing with Uncle Steve, a robust centre half, who doesn't do tactics, has journeymen for coaches and plays turgid football. I'm convinced. Off you go, Jack. If that team gets dismantled for something potentially progressive you'd be insane to hang around. In fact, just hang around until Bruce gets his next job and put in a transfer request in January so you can go join the genius. Edited July 24, 2018 by privateer 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, privateer said: Yeah, you're right,. What was I thinking? Being mentored by one of the finest attackers this country has ever seen, who is known to be highly intelligent, deeply knowledgeable about current football in a global sense or continuing with Uncle Steve, a robust centre half, who doesn't do tactics, has journeymen for coaches and plays turgid football. I'm convinced. Off you go, Jack. If that team gets dismantled for something potentially progressive you'd be insane to hang around. In fact, just hang around until Bruce gets his next job and put in a transfer request in January so you can go join the genius. Dont go there, I tried that and was ridiculed and told the whole of Villa talk is highly intelligent, deeply knowledgeable about current football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, Taxahunter said: Dont go there, I tried that and was ridiculed and told the whole of Villa talk is highly intelligent, deeply knowledgeable about current football To be fair, I think it is. I read stuff on here, about all aspects of the game, that surpasses any football journalism I’ve ever seen. But we have the added benefit over other media of having genuine, passionate, opinions as well. And we are always, each of us, always right ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, privateer said: Yeah, you're right,. What was I thinking? Being mentored by one of the finest attackers this country has ever seen, who is known to be highly intelligent, deeply knowledgeable about current football in a global sense or continuing with Uncle Steve, a robust centre half, who doesn't do tactics, has journeymen for coaches and plays turgid football. I'm convinced. Off you go, Jack. If that team gets dismantled for something potentially progressive you'd be insane to hang around. In fact, just hang around until Bruce gets his next job and put in a transfer request in January so you can go join the genius. Despite all your hilarious sarcasm, Bruce is the manager who has produced the best form of Jack's career. Your exaggeration regarding bruce's playing style doesn't change that, plus the fact he's built the team around him and has a great relationship. At the moment, Jack's two options are to stay at Villa with Bruce or to move to one of the best teams in the country under one of the best managers in the country (assuming the Spurs link is true) I think Jack will probably choose the second (Spurs) option anyway even if Bruce stays, but if you remove the Bruce option all together and replace it with staying at Villa with a new manager, at a time of transition, financial uncertainty and no security, then I think he'll be even less likely to choose to stay with us. So as desperate as you were to turn this into an Henry vs Bruce debate, it's really a Villa vs Spurs debate. And I think given Jack's relationship with Bruce, lack of relationship with Henry and the general uncertainty around the club right now, I think Henry becoming manager means he's more likely to leave Villa for Spurs than he would if Bruce stayed. I'm sure if Jack was definitely staying, and henry was definitely taking over, then yeah he'd probably be looking forward to working under a former great. But given the context, I think we might find it ends up being what finally convinces him to leave. So no, I don't particulary think he'll be "creaming at the prospect". Edited July 24, 2018 by Stevo985 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 If it wasn’t for the chaos off the field and the fact we couldn’t afford compensation he’d have been sacked straight after the playoff final. Whether Henry is the answer I don’t know. I know Steve Bruce isn’t though he’s proved that on multiple occasions. I get the stability argument but stable mid table is still a failure for this club, it’s the footballing equivalent of playing blackjack in a casino and sticking on 10. It was painfully obvious to so many of us on here it wasn’t going to happen here because he has no plan B or doesn’t “do tactics”. I think in Feb I described it as watching a car crash in slow motion while powerless to stop it. Now that the money worries have abaited I don’t want more Bruce it was outdated last year it will continue to be so this year. Doesn’t have to be Henry just anybody vaguely competent really. In fairness he has a Plan B now, he’s copied Southgate because he’s seen it on the Telly, England played 7 lost 3 and only scored almost exclusively from set pieces, it wasn’t good enough in the most open World Cup ever and it won’t be good enough for promotion no matter how much “Walker worked at CB so that must mean Hutton can to” Bruce dreams of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, kiltorken said: Henry was only the second assistant coach for Belgium, he was below Graeme Jones who was actually the first assistant coach. Maybe we should go after Graeme Jones instead, thoughts? maybe Belgium would have won the WC if Henry was first assistant coach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Hope Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Steve if Grealish was 29...I would say that is a valid point but he is still 20 so not much of a yardstick to appraise him by imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, New_Hope said: Steve if Grealish was 29...I would say that is a valid point but he is still 20 so not much of a yardstick to appraise him by imo. He's 23 in 6 weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Despite all your hilarious sarcasm, Bruce is the manager who has produced the best form of Jack's career. it seemed to coincide with the arrival of Agnew , I'm not sure we were raving about Jack in the early part of his comeback ..Agnew seemed to encourage him to play more direct , but maybe it was Bruce all along and Agne's arrival just coincided with Jack getting fit ? As for not "creaming" at the prospect ..I'd query any young footballer who wasn't producing more cream than a Bukkake video at the prospect of being coached by Henry Edited July 24, 2018 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 As I’ve said in the Grealish thread, Jack attributes his form to Terry taking time to advise him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: it seemed to coincide with the arrival of Agnew , I'm not sure we were raving about Jack in the early part of his comeback ..Agnew seemed to encourage him to play more direct , but maybe it was Bruce all along and Agne's arrival just coincided with Jack getting fit ? Not sure I agree with that, but even if I did, this is Agnew being the coach that Bruce specifically recruited because he'd worked for him previously and would probably leave with Bruce if he went? As for the creaming bit, I already said that I'm sure Jack would be excited by working with Henry under normal circumstances. I won't write out again why I think in this particular scenario I don't think it will make much difference to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: In fairness he has a Plan B now, he’s copied Southgate because he’s seen it on the Telly, England played 7 lost 3 and only scored almost exclusively from set pieces, it wasn’t good enough in the most open World Cup ever and it won’t be good enough for promotion no matter how much “Walker worked at CB so that must mean Hutton can to” Bruce dreams of. I'm pretty sure Bruce has had teams playing 3 at the back for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, Fairy In Boots said: As I’ve said in the Grealish thread, Jack attributes his form to Terry taking time to advise him Terry being the player who would never have signed for us if it wasn't for Steve Bruce and was told by Bruce to help the young players like Jack? That Terry? People trying very hard to remove all credit from the manager, and then accidentally giving him more credit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: Not sure I agree with that, but even if I did, this is Agnew being the coach that Bruce specifically recruited because he'd worked for him previously and would probably leave with Bruce if he went? As for the creaming bit, I already said that I'm sure Jack would be excited by working with Henry under normal circumstances. I won't write out again why I think in this particular scenario I don't think it will make much difference to him. tbf it was a question , rather than a statement .. but I'd say it's inevitable Agnew will leave with Bruce fwiw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Terry being the player who would never have signed for us if it wasn't for Steve Bruce and was told by Bruce to help the young players like Jack? That Terry? People trying very hard to remove all credit from the manager, and then accidentally giving him more credit No in fairness Terry was good from Bruce, perhaps he knows he’s limited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: Steve Sims made 41 appearances in the season we were promoted. That's not someone who was signed to give experience to the reserve team. As I recall he was signed for his experience and the fact that GT could rely on him, due to their previous relationship at Watford. A very shrewd signing it turned out to be. don't shoot the messenger.....that's what he told me face to face. But to re-address the facts....He played 29 in div 2 1988-89 in the league and 7 in the cups 12 in Div 1 1989-90 in the league and 2 in the cups Edited July 24, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: No in fairness Terry was good from Bruce, perhaps he knows he’s limited I think he knows where he needs help in certain areas and he addresses them. Agnew was a good example. Terry another. It's part of the reason we made such a big step up from his first season to his second. If the finances aren't as bad as originally feared, maybe we'll see similar this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 48 minutes ago, terrytini said: To be fair, I think it is. I read stuff on here, about all aspects of the game, that surpasses any football journalism I’ve ever seen. But we have the added benefit over other media of having genuine, passionate, opinions as well. And we are always, each of us, always right ! ! Plus the fact....We watch the games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 24, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 24, 2018 50 minutes ago, terrytini said: we are always, each of us, always right ! ! I'm not. (though I could be wrong about that) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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