Danishlad Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 The problem last night was tactically. Brentford were running directly at the centre of defence. Nathan Baker and Chester can't stop it. We need to set up the team to cut of the supply. Make teams go wide. Not through the middle of our defence. I think Bruce knows this. This is why he said we need to do the basics well. Another mistake is that the team didn't know how to get the ball back from Brentford. There must be a tactical plan for this. Who is our ball winner. Kodija doesn't pressure the opposition and the three central midfielders didn't work together as a unit getting the ball back. So the way we got the ball back was if Brentford made a bad pass or had a shot and missed. This isn't the sign of a good team. Bruce knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Just now, Danishlad said: The problem last night was tactically. Brentford were running directly at the centre of defence. Nathan Baker and Chester can't stop it. We need to set up the team to cut of the supply. Make teams go wide. Not through the middle of our defence. I think Bruce knows this. This is why he said we need to do the basics well. Another mistake is that the team didn't know how to get the ball back from Brentford. There must be a tactical plan for this. Who is our ball winner. Kodija doesn't pressure the opposition and the three central midfielders didn't work together as a unit getting the ball back. So the way we got the ball back was if Brentford made a bad pass or had a shot and missed. This isn't the sign of a good team. Bruce knows this. Bruce doesn't know shit. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 46 minutes ago, villianusa said: So, who would you have played in center mid? Bacuna? Gardner? He would have been crucified on here for playing either of those ahead of the new signings. Agreed. With hindsight, any decisions are the wrong ones when you lose like this. If you'd have asked Villa fans to pick the team, the only changes would've probably been Bree in for Hutton and maybe Grealish in for Green. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danishlad Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 minute ago, vreitti said: Bruce doesn't know shit. Sorry. No need to apologise- I'll agree with you if he doesn't put it right. His promotions with Hull prove he can do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2017 We're the problem here. We've watched a first team get gutted and almost start from scratch in the summer and we've just watched THAT team get a serious overhaul in the January window. If we can't give that side any time to develop without calling for people's heads then we need to look at ourselves. It's getting tiring reading knee-jerk reactions, to the point where I honestly wonder whether people believe their own posts at times. Bruce's promotion record in this league is 2nd to none. We gave the league a 12 game headstart and he's having to fix an entire ethos at this club and instil a winning mentality. It won't happen overnight. It won't happen over 2 transfer windows. Let them get on with the job at hand. On paper the squad is there. We just need to wait for that to transfer to the grass now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 maybe we need 3 CB's to make up for the fact they are so inept ? once we steady the ship and stop leaking goals then maybe go for a more adventurous 4-4-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 the demise of our club wont be fixed in 1 january window thats for sure,its clear that the owners are happy to throw £ at the playing staff to get promotion. getting rid of westwood for 5-6m is great business,the new midfield will gel soon, villa main problems are the teams we play have been together for some time now, the are limited but effective, they dont have a owner who can bring in 4 players etc, bruce will get it right long term.no point in changing him,hes proven the club still has some dead beats on its books & the sooner they are gone the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, BOF said: We're the problem here. We've watched a first team get gutted and almost start from scratch in the summer and we've just watched THAT team get a serious overhaul in the January window. If we can't give that side any time to develop without calling for people's heads then we need to look at ourselves. It's getting tiring reading knee-jerk reactions, to the point where I honestly wonder whether people believe their own posts at times. Bruce's promotion record in this league is 2nd to none. We gave the league a 12 game headstart and he's having to fix an entire ethos at this club and instil a winning mentality. It won't happen overnight. It won't happen over 2 transfer windows. Let them get on with the job at hand. On paper the squad is there. We just need to wait for that to transfer to the grass now. Apart from the 'ethos' word I kinda agree. Fixing the ethos sounds like something steve round has told him to do. Bruce being the more straight talking kind of guy probably doesn't know what 'fixing an ethos involves' .....neither do I ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BOF said: We're the problem here. We've watched a first team get gutted and almost start from scratch in the summer and we've just watched THAT team get a serious overhaul in the January window. If we can't give that side any time to develop without calling for people's heads then we need to look at ourselves. It's getting tiring reading knee-jerk reactions, to the point where I honestly wonder whether people believe their own posts at times. Bruce's promotion record in this league is 2nd to none. We gave the league a 12 game headstart and he's having to fix an entire ethos at this club and instil a winning mentality. It won't happen overnight. It won't happen over 2 transfer windows. Let them get on with the job at hand. On paper the squad is there. We just need to wait for that to transfer to the grass now. I accept your point but how long would you give him to turn it around? I know he has got a good previous track record but you would expect to see some improvement from now until the end of the season. Lambert has come in and made a big difference at Wolves. Its going to take time but we need to see some real improvement especially away from home because right now we are no better than under Rdm Edited February 1, 2017 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 that was as embarrassing as Doncaster and any other shit served up by a Villa manager in living memory we've invested a lot of time and effort in Bruce and a squad , I don't think I'd cut him loose just yet but we should be looking to address the style of play and bed the players into their roles , finish the season with a bit of flurry and build on it for next season and then sack him after 8 games if we aren't 20 points clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, BOF said: We're the problem here. We've watched a first team get gutted and almost start from scratch in the summer and we've just watched THAT team get a serious overhaul in the January window. If we can't give that side any time to develop without calling for people's heads then we need to look at ourselves. It's getting tiring reading knee-jerk reactions, to the point where I honestly wonder whether people believe their own posts at times. Bruce's promotion record in this league is 2nd to none. We gave the league a 12 game headstart and he's having to fix an entire ethos at this club and instil a winning mentality. It won't happen overnight. It won't happen over 2 transfer windows. Let them get on with the job at hand. On paper the squad is there. We just need to wait for that to transfer to the grass now. exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, PaulC said: I accept your point but how long would you give him to turn it around? I know he has got a good previous track record but you would expect to see some improvement from now until the end of the season. Assuming we don't finish much lower than where we are now, then we keep him for next season. If we were to sack him in a dead season, while we're in a similar position to now, it'd be madness. And next season would just be a repeat of this season. Bring in new team in the summer, demand the manager out when we're not in the top 6 by Nov, new manager for Jan window, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I'm storing up a big rant. I'm really not pleased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I'm ok giving Bruce time blah blah but suggestions that the fans are in any way unreasonable or a contributory factor to our Form is plain wrong. If those who think the criticism is unfair had been told, before we hired him, that having had the benefit of viewing the games and mistakes made by RDM, having had the players for longer, and having added - however recently - signings that would walk into any Championship side, that in 10 games he would get 11 points as opposed to RDMs last 10 when he got 10 points.....would they have said "yeah no worries sack RDM and get Bruce, that sounds fine" ..? No. And then if you'd added that after 3 months it would be impossible- impossible- to describe to anyone what our 'style' is? Bruce has had success in this League, and that entitles him to time. But it doesn't mean he can't be criticised on his record as it currently is. And his record, currently, is poor, as are our performances, as is the way we set up. Did anyone see Hourihane or Lansbury cross the halfway line in any meaningful sense before we went behind last night ? I did, three times, in the first fifteen minutes. Is that enough? Or are those who think he shouldn't be held accountable going to blame another set of players ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) DP Edited February 1, 2017 by kurtsimonw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kurtsimonw Posted February 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 minute ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I'm storing up a big rant. I'm really not pleased. Don't do it, Doug. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I'm storing up a big rant. I'm really not pleased. You're a big fan of Bruce, so i would find it interesting to read your rant if its about Bruce. unless your rant is about Villa fans who are ranting about Bruce Edited February 1, 2017 by ender4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I'm storing up a big rant. I'm really not pleased. Ah go on go on go on go on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Just listened to Bruce's post match interview, where he admits Bjarnason hadn't played for 5 weeks, yet he still started the lad. Baffling decision. Surely we had other options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 This is the Championship, and this team, in my opinion, should be doing much better. I see no improvement in them, and I would have certainly expected some improvement at least. I was not terribly keen on his appointment, but I knew he was brought as a promotion-winning specialist, and on that basis I could see the logic of his appointment. But he was brought in to do one thing, and clearly is failing in that respect. He will be given more time, but in that time we may be stagnating in the Championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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