tonyh29 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 hours ago, dAVe80 said: This is the thing see, there are many people on the right, who believe Corbyn would introduce full Communism by Friday, if he could. In actual fact most of what Labour based their manifesto on, isn't that radical. It just shows how far neo liberalism dragged politics and the Labour party to the centre right. tbf if Corbyn wins we'd all be on a 4 day week so if he hasn't done it by Thursday , it will have to wait until Monday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: tbf if Corbyn wins we'd all be on a 4 day week so if he hasn't done it by Thursday , it will have to wait until Monday We should be on a 4 day week. There's not enough work to go around. And it'll only get worse with more automation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted June 27, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, darrenm said: it'll only get worse with more automation. Theresa May has proved that! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 What's wrong with a 4 day week? It's far more balanced. I resent giving over half my waking hours away to somebody else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 27, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, darrenm said: Oh of course there's a lot in the middle and also crossovers but there is definitely a divide. I accept what you're saying though. and just because it's on the site (eek, don't shoot the messenger) it seems the more intelligent you are, the more likely you are to vote Labour (if assuming education level roughly correlates with intelligence) so according to that graph 3%, at18 will vote Tory and 0% at 80 will vote Labour Even their own figures would proclaim that to be nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, bickster said: so according to that graph 3%, at18 will vote Tory and 0% at 80 will vote Labour Even their own figures would proclaim that to be nonsense I believe it's smoothed. The graph above gives more accurate figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 27, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, darrenm said: I believe it's smoothed. The graph above gives more accurate figures. nah, it's not smoothed, its rubbish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted June 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: What's wrong with a 4 day week? It's far more balanced. I resent giving over half my waking hours away to somebody else. I had to re-read that , think my eyesight is going .. too much waking when I was young I guess Edited June 27, 2017 by tonyh29 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Labour / Tory crossover occurs at 47. Why is that then? Definite trend of turning conservative the older you get. Interesting. In an ageing population surely this is only going to be a good thing for the tories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, darrenm said: We should be on a 4 day week. There's not enough work to go around. And it'll only get worse with more automation. I wish a robot would do some of my work! Up to my bastard eyes in it! Edited June 27, 2017 by Xela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, Xela said: Labour / Tory crossover occurs at 47. Why is that then? Definite trend of turning conservative the older you get. Interesting. In an ageing population surely this is only going to be a good thing for the tories? Who knew you were old before your time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 58 minutes ago, Xela said: Labour / Tory crossover occurs at 47. Why is that then? Definite trend of turning conservative the older you get. Interesting. In an ageing population surely this is only going to be a good thing for the tories? The crossover is a snapshot now. It's just as likely that the crossover point will move up 1 year every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 45 minutes ago, snowychap said: Who knew you were old before your time? Must have been those formative years in the Bullingdon Club 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Xela said: Labour / Tory crossover occurs at 47. Why is that then? Definite trend of turning conservative the older you get. Interesting. In an ageing population surely this is only going to be a good thing for the tories? I'm 43 now so potentially by the next election I'd have lost my social conscience and become an I'm alright Jack merchant. If that happens I'd hope euthanasia will have been legalised by then and I can be put out of my misery. The fact that younger people are way more likely to vote Labour though does highlight why the Tories aren't at all keen on reducing the voting age to 16. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 Well, I was a Labour voter for about 20 years or more but hit my 40's and stopped voting for them. They'd moved to the right so I started looking for other lefties to vote for. So the graphics are sort of half correct for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 This idea that 'people become more conservative as they get older' is not uncontroversial in political science. People born in different generations change opinions in different ways and at different rates, and the direction is not always to the right. Some evidence in America suggests that people become 'imprinted' with political beliefs early, and then tend to maintain them throughout their lives. Obviously this is a generational effect, so there will be millions of opposing examples, but different cohorts tend to be pretty consistent in how they vote: I'm not aware of any similar research in the UK, but I'd be interested to see it. One big difference between young people and older people in the UK is the rate of home ownership, and that does seem to make a very large difference in the way people vote: (from Shelter: http://blog.shelter.org.uk/2017/06/housing-and-the-2017-election-what-the-numbers-say/) Essentially, I'm not convinced that 'being old' makes people become Conservative, in a way that can be disentangled from 'becoming a homeowner', 'becoming a shareholder', 'becoming wealthier', or whatever else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 27, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Xela said: Labour / Tory crossover occurs at 47. Why is that then? Definite trend of turning conservative the older you get. Interesting. In an ageing population surely this is only going to be a good thing for the tories? There is absolutely no evidence in those figures for that. Imagine in five years time the figures show the crossover point is 52? It as much supports the idea that different generations vote in different ways. Does anyone have the figures from 7 years ago? How close is the crossover point to 40? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 hours ago, markavfc40 said: I'm 43 now so potentially by the next election I'd have lost my social conscience and become an I'm alright Jack merchant. If that happens I'd hope euthanasia will have been legalised by then and I can be put out of my misery. The fact that younger people are way more likely to vote Labour though does highlight why the Tories aren't at all keen on reducing the voting age to 16. I noticed Momentum have it even lower at 14 to be a member , brainwash them even earlier hey Hope you don't mind me asking but you use the social conscience line a lot , do you genuinely believe it ? Do you think everything is really that black and white and people's actions come down to where they put an X every few years .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted June 28, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2017 7 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I noticed Momentum have it even lower at 14 to be a member , brainwash them even earlier hey Hope you don't mind me asking but you use the social conscience line a lot , do you genuinely believe it ? Do you think everything is really that black and white and people's actions come down to where they put an X every few years .... Yeah, pretty much. I'm realistic enough to know that most politicians (of either stripe) are self-serving careerists. And that there are all sorts of macroeconomic issues that I don't understand. But I vote with my heart, because I have a deep belief that the Tories are absolutely The Bad Guys, and it is essential to oppose them. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted June 28, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2017 Yep, pretty much the same here. The majority of good things we have, came at the price of previous generations of working class people standing up against the tories or the bosses. I unions aren't universally popular anymore, but they brought us enhanced wages, job protection, reduced discrimination and better health and safety. Not a perfect 100% record of glory, but we are where we are because of them and don't let anyone fool you otherwise. No unions, and most of us would still basically be serfs. It's no coincidence the unions are weaker and the gig economy is rising. The NHS, built to give free healthcare to the poorest at a time the nation was economically wrecked. Can you imagine the seven shades of crazy that the tories and the media would paint a Labour leader today that came out with such a vast and expensive project during 'austerity'. On a sweeping macro level, I've seen the violent spiteful way people are treated when the tories are given too much power. On a micro level, I know my local tory MP is a landlord and voted against Landlord's having to carry out mandatory fire safety tests on their properties. They are panto villains made horribly real. Fox hunting anyone? Go home vans? Money tree? I won't be giving them my vote this side of a frozen hell. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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