peterms Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 8 hours ago, Shropshire Lad said: He's got form for the opaque tweet to try and get his point across If someone is trying to get a point across, an opaque tweet would be one of the worst ways of doing so. If you don't have something to say but wish to be thought to be communicating, then opaque tweets may be more suited to the purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 He either says nothing and sacks Bruce Or he says something to keep him in place a while a longer. - I don't think he would hint at sacking Bruce before he does it. I agree with the common held view that Bruce has 3 more games - at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post carewjust4u Posted August 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2017 I can't help but feel that there are people on this thread taking out their frustrations on Tony. Has Bruce failed? Yes Does Tony know this? Yes Will Tony make the change? Yes, when he believes it's right to do so....as is his perogative Does he deserve criticism for sending out tweets and communicating with the fans? Absolutely not. We all want promotion this year, none more so than Tony who has a lot of $$$ riding on it. 18 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 4 hours ago, carewjust4u said: Does he deserve criticism for sending out tweets and communicating with the fans? Quote Communication (from Latin commūnicāre, meaning "to share"[1]) is the act of conveying intended meanings from one entity or group to another through the use of mutually understood signs and semiotic rules. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication Conveying intended meanings...through the use of mutually understood signs. Daft tweets about a page from a management textbook fail that rather simple test, for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carewjust4u Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, peterms said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication Conveying intended meanings...through the use of mutually understood signs. Daft tweets about a page from a management textbook fail that rather simple test, for me. I guess it depends which definition you wish to use. communication kəmjuːnɪˈkeɪʃ(ə)n/ noun 1. the imparting or exchanging of information by speaking, writing, or using some other medium. "television is an effective means of communication" synonyms: transmission, imparting, conveying, reporting, presenting, passing on, handing on, relay, conveyance, divulgence, divulgation, disclosure; More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) I think Bruce will be gone for certain if we don't beat Norwich on Saturday. We need to average 2 points per game to have a go at automatic promotion and avoid the lottery of the play-offs. To have only have 1 or 2 points from our first 12 will not be good enough and I would be amazed if Tony Xia would let him off the hook with that points return. If we drew, we would basically be two wins off where we really need to be in order to maintain a 2 points per game return. We can't keep that run going and expect to get promoted, we would need change and quick. I don't think the Wigan game will put him off giving Bruce the chop. I would hope he would sack him after the game and then work on getting someone in before the Bristol City game. Edited August 17, 2017 by villarocker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jareth Posted August 17, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2017 14 hours ago, MikeMcKenna said: I have never believed the hype that he is the super-smart billionaire businessman that he claims to be. What hype? He is a billionaire businessman who owns Recon group which owns a shed load of companies. How can that accomplishment fall outside of the definition of 'super-smart'? The guy has literally just turned 40 as well, who on this planet has currently achieved as much as him? This all just smacks of a plain old unfounded grudge. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jareth said: What hype? He is a billionaire businessman who owns Recon group which owns a shed load of companies. How can that accomplishment fall outside of the definition of 'super-smart'? The guy has literally just turned 40 as well, who on this planet has currently achieved as much as him? This all just smacks of a plain old unfounded grudge. Does he own recon though ? - isn't he just CEO ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 The time to act was now so a new man could at least get a couple on loan before the window shuts - persisting with Bruce is just wasting our chance . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 53 minutes ago, villarocker said: I think Bruce will be gone for certain if we don't beat Norwich on Saturday. We need to average 2 points per game to have a go at automatic promotion and avoid the lottery of the play-offs. To have only have 1 or 2 points from our first 12 will not be good enough and I would be amazed if Tony Xia would let him off the hook with that points return. If we drew, we would basically be two wins off where we really need to be in order to maintain a 2 points per game return. We can't keep that run going and expect to get promoted, we would need change and quick. I don't think the Wigan game will put him off giving Bruce the chop. I would hope he would sack him after the game and then work on getting someone in before the Bristol City game. I get the feeling there are people high up in the club who are continuing in the blind hope we somehow turn it round rather than accept the blame for their recommendation failing . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, hippo said: Does he own recon though ? - isn't he just CEO ? Not this again... Anyone unconvinced by Xia, I suspect will never be. Why? God knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, Jareth said: Not this again... Anyone unconvinced by Xia, I suspect will never be. Why? God knows. I was very tempted to comment on it, but deep down you know there is no point. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jareth said: Not this again... Anyone unconvinced by Xia, I suspect will never be. Why? God knows. Unconvinced in what way ? - Lerner undoubtedly had cash, but just couldn't run a club. We don't know if XIA has money , is willing to spend, to any great extent - we also don't know how good he is at running a club - the RDM appointment was stupidity - Bruce looked a better appointment, but hasn't gone to plan. Its a pretty big leap of faith to be totally convinced XIA imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, Eastie said: I get the feeling there are people high up in the club who are continuing in the blind hope we somehow turn it round rather than accept the blame for their recommendation failing . Bruce coming good - or a new guy from an uninspiring list of candidates hitting the ground running and securing promotion with a bunch of players he didn't sign - Neither looks likely IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, hippo said: We don't know if XIA has money , is willing to spend, Please google record transfer fees for championship players. Alternatively, trust nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 He has money, of that there is no doubt, but the source of this money, how it's being filtered into the club, what the funding structure is and whatnot is totally opaque. He's not skint, but I also doubt he's the ludicrously rich owner some are expecting/hoping him to be. His total net spend is being eroded, and that doesn't really matter too much, but it doesn't need a man of that much wealth (relative to other football owners these days) to have put circa £30M into a club that he's just purchased for transfers. My concern is that funding was based on a gamble on year one promotion and that gamble has been lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I can't remember the exact details because it was well over a year ago now, but I'm sure Tony showed a photo of a bank transfer/cheque for £500m which he said he was going to use to run the club. This was the period just before the takeover when there were doubts over the funding. I'm certain he has the funds to do whatever he wants to with Villa, it's FFP which is holding up further investment in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, thejoker said: I can't remember the exact details because it was well over a year ago now, but I'm sure Tony showed a photo of a bank transfer/cheque for £500m which he said he was going to use to run the club. This was the period just before the takeover when there were doubts over the funding. I'm certain he has the funds to do whatever he wants to with Villa, it's FFP which is holding up further investment in my opinion. No I think that was a cheque he received for selling just 1 of his companies, and he said he had several more like it. In and around the same value. Either way, he is no skint fool. Edit: He also deposited 100 million to show the League he could fund the club for a year or 2. Edited August 17, 2017 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I am pretty sure that rich business men dont stay rich business men by pouring money into a football club in the hope that at some point in the future the brand is valuable enough to be of enough worth to either keep as some kind of status symbol or sell and hope to recoup the investment with a return. I am hoping the lack of investment is because they realised that Bruce wasnt going to cut it and so reduced funds but do wonder if this is all about self-sufficiency and the Dr hoping we can gain promotion in the next couple of years and then he will offload us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted August 17, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2017 I'm ok with people being unconvinced. But those who have already turned on him, I can't understand. What do people want from him? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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