Jareth Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 32 minutes ago, hippo said: But Black and Bruce have teamed up before. So in a sense half the duo is already in place, which negates the urgency. I reckon it will be Bruce. Oh god. I think that seals it then. Promtotion experience check, same situation as current club only last summer check, made profit in this situation last summer on player sales check, assistant already in place check. Signed sealed delivered. Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I was hoping for another year for remi, but if i had to choose id probably go for moyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Black and Bruced, don't like the sound of that at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 11 minutes ago, Zatman said: im not even sure what club Grayson is even managing these days until I checked google, his win record is nothing special at all Looking at win record is incredibly deceiving - especially when you consider the teams Grayson has managed. He's doing very well at Preston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, bobzy said: Looking at win record is incredibly deceiving - especially when you consider the teams Grayson has managed. He's doing very well at Preston. I'm not disparaging Warburton, but for example his win percentage is in the eighties. That doesn't make him the best manager, just means he's in an easier job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Just now, jon_c said: I'm not disparaging Warburton, but for example his win percentage is in the eighties. That doesn't make him the best manager, just means he's in an easier job. Exactly. Louis van Gaal is basically being hounded out of Old Trafford for being a terrible manager this season. Win ratio - 50%. Our most successful manager of recent times, MON, had a win ratio of 42%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 the Black link with Bruce is interesting but by all accounts Remi hand picked Black so I don't think the club were thinking that far forward and forced Black on Remi ? (arguably they tried to force Steve Round on Remi , which would have come with a Moyes link ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, bobzy said: Looking at win record is incredibly deceiving - especially when you consider the teams Grayson has managed. He's doing very well at Preston. He has 4 promotions though which either means he is scraping them or doesnt have the tools to keep teams up. His job at Leeds is probably a good indicator of his level as he will expect similar standards here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: He has 4 promotions though which either means he is scraping them or doesnt have the tools to keep teams up. His job at Leeds is probably a good indicator of his level as he will expect similar standards here From Wikipedia: At Blackpool, he got them promoted from League One (including a record-breaking winning streak apparently) then took them to their highest league position in about 40 years before joining Leeds... ...he took them to the playoffs first season (beat Man Utd in the cup too), then got them promoted to the Championship. They finished 7th in their first season back, before he got sacked for having them outside play offs (they finished 14th)... ...joined Huddersfield, got them promoted via the playoffs in the same season. Pretty much his only real blip was here - they struggled on a 12-game winless streak and Grayson was sacked... ...joined Preston, kept them up then took them to the playoffs first season finishing 5th (lost to Rotherham) and again second season finishing 3rd (won). Now has Preston 10th in the Championship. Not sure how any of this indicates he doesn't have the tools to keep teams up (has he ever been relegated?) and the only real downturn was his Championship-spell at Huddersfield. It's a pretty sweet managerial CV for lower levels to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 23 minutes ago, Zatman said: He has 4 promotions though which either means he is scraping them or doesnt have the tools to keep teams up. His job at Leeds is probably a good indicator of his level as he will expect similar standards here He had a bit of promise at Leeds but evidently hasn't kicked on. That he has to keep dropping down to League One says a lot and his career path suggests his level is indeed upper League One to lower-mid Championship. If this time next year we've just achieved a double-relegation then maybe he can be mentioned as a serious candidate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaninireland Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I hope they are not stupid enough to employ Colin rocket polisher, this place would rightly implode. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 57 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the Black link with Bruce is interesting but by all accounts Remi hand picked Black so I don't think the club were thinking that far forward and forced Black on Remi ? (arguably they tried to force Steve Round on Remi , which would have come with a Moyes link ) I think Remi had given up by the time Black arrived. - I t would answer a lot of questions in particular why Benstein said we 'had to get a move on' - then changed his mind a couple of days later saying 'Villa won't be rushed' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, hippo said: I think Remi had given up by the time Black arrived. 26th January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Isa said: No way is Grayson's name once cropping up in this thread if not for his previous link with the club as a player. He's done absolutely nothing to warrant being mentioned in the same breath as the Villa job. multiple promotion at lower league clubs. Who you expecting? Mourinho? Lots of people saying Moyes... Yes he would be a good manager.. but its been a long time since hes scrapped it in the lower leagues. What has Moyes done recently? He hasnt won any cups or achieved anything great... Its the same as Newcastle hiring FSW.... great on paper.. but how much experience has he got fighting relegation? We need a grafter.. someone who has done it recently. Even if its only for a season.. get us promoted.. stable and then we can bring in a better manager. Like West Ham did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Managers like Gary Johnson should be mentioned if Grayson is a target. If we drop to league one - he is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: Managers like Gary Johnson should be mentioned if Grayson is a target. If we drop to league one - he is the man. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 32 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: Managers like Gary Johnson should be mentioned if Grayson is a target. If we drop to league one - he is the man. I had to Google that one, appears he is the governor of New Mexico. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 it's an old article but it doesn't paint Bruce in a good light Shortly after taking charge at Sunderland Steve Bruce was asked if he had considered experimenting with a Christmas Tree formation. "I'm not really into tactics," he replied. At the time that response was easy to interpret as a deliberately flippant or, perhaps, a self-deprecating means of avoiding answering the question. As the seasons passed, though, the suspicion grew that the former Manchester United captain had simply been honest. Arguably one of the principal reasons Bruce is no longer in charge at the Stadium of Light concerns his apparent inability to tweak formations or tactics during matches. Whenever a rival manager re-configured his system mid-game, Bruce invariably failed to come up with a countermeasure Unashamedly old school, Bruce believed that motivation was the key to management but the influx of overseas coaches has raised the Premier League's technical bar and despite Unlike many modern managers he did not coach the team himself, delegating that job to his assistant, Eric Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: it's an old article but it doesn't paint Bruce in a good light No thanks to fistface, he is garbage. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted April 12, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2016 I think it will be him (Bruce) or M.McCarthy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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