sharkyvilla Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, Chindie said: No Deal ahoy. I guess this is the real test of the Brexiteer's stance of 'they will want a deal as much as we do' if the govt go back to the EU wanting changes to the backstop. Last chance saloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 26, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 That'll **** show 'em, won't it? We can reuse their offices for some proud, British organisations. Like...Spoons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 26, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I guess this is the real test of the Brexiteer's stance of 'they will want a deal as much as we do' if the govt go back to the EU wanting changes to the backstop. Last chance saloon. The backstop is the backstop. I can't see the EU agreeing to anything that fundamentally changes it. I expect the most that May will get before the end of March is a very minor concession somewhere in the deal that will be built up as some huge climbdown as a way of tickling Brexiteers bollocks that somehow the EU has given in to their British betters. The EU wants a deal, but it doesn't want a deal as much as we do. The idea this is a negotiation between equals has always been nonsense. The sheer, basic, inescapable numbers of it rule that out. No Deal cuts both ways, the EU is harmed by it as is the UK. The difference is that harm to the EU is losing a finger, perhaps a hand. To the UK its being stabbed in the chest, repeatedly. Hence why the EU has so strongly stuck to its guns. It views breaking the fundamental pillars of the group as more critical than the UK being part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Abolish John Humphrys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 26, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2019 There's plenty of people that would agree with him unfortunately. Similar thoughts have been espoused in this very thread (or it's predecessor). For a great many people Ireland is still a subservient colony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, Chindie said: There's plenty of people that would agree with him unfortunately. Similar thoughts have been espoused in this very thread (or it's predecessor). For a great many people Ireland is still a subservient colony. Maybe you're right. But I don't want to normalise or minimise how terrible this attitude is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 John Humphrys is an unlistenable embarrassment. His interviews, his treatment of guests and his world view are shockingly one sided old fashioned upper middle tory chap. I know it's R4 but there's not even a pretense at being even handed. I've always listened in, in recent years I've told myself it balances my usual echo chamber, I've told myself I'm at least hearing the thinking of the enemy. But the last few months I just turn the radio off if he's the presenter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: John Humphrys is an unlistenable embarrassment. His interviews, his treatment of guests and his world view are shockingly one sided old fashioned upper middle tory chap. I know it's R4 but there's not even a pretense at being even handed. I've always listened in, in recent years I've told myself it balances my usual echo chamber, I've told myself I'm at least hearing the thinking of the enemy. But the last few months I just turn the radio off if he's the presenter. Agreed, it's like the BBC's political bias isn't even trying to hide any more. It's there in plain sight for all to see and hear, as long as you can think critically which sadly many people don't seem capable of 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 It is an unbelievably arrogant position from Humphrys. Just on the current brinkmanship going on, in the event of a ‘No Deal’ Brexit presumably the EU will need to enact border checks in Ireland and Gibraltar to prevent the famous hormone beef and chlorine chicken (etc) from flooding the EU market via an open UK border. It goes against the Good Friday Agreement (and the obvious consequences for peace) so there is a problem there for the EU that the Brexitiers look like they are trying to exploit to get a change in their stance. The UK will also need border checks if it is going to be effective in preventing EU immigration but I’ve heard Brexitiers indicate they would check citizenship when an EU national attempts to work or interact with the state rather than when they arrive. Either way there is a problem the EU will need to resolve if no deal is agreed and there are mixed messages coming out about what their solution might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, LondonLax said: It is an unbelievably arrogant position from Humphrys. Yes. His arrogance comes out often, as does his sycophancy towards people he admires, but his arrogance has rarely been as naked as this disastrous performance. He should have been retired many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Fos anyone wondering how we might manage after losing trade partnerships with Europe, Tim Martin explains the concept of import substitution. I'm sure the idea will read across very easily to food, energy, medicines, ooh, all sorts of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Are May and Tory backbenchers going to adopt Labour party policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 27, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2019 This is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Well I have my popcorn ready, only few weeks left for this show to get under way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Chindie said: This is fine. It's not like people weren't aware of it at the time of the vote - it was written on the bus after all. Edited January 27, 2019 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 The Twitter bloke has written “introduction of martial law after a No deal Brexit” Imagine the reaction if leave had written such blatant scaremongering and deliberately mislead people Operation Temperer has been in existence for many years and also has a contingency for Brexit , a contingency that if they didn’t have you’d all be posting about how unprepared the government are having a plan for it does not make something inevitable If you believe we are heading for martial law then I have some magic beans I can sell you that will protect you from it , just PM me in crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: The Twitter bloke has written “introduction of martial law after a No deal Brexit” Imagine the reaction if leave had written such blatant scaremongering and deliberately mislead people Operation Temperer has been in existence for many years and also has a contingency for Brexit , a contingency that if they didn’t have you’d all be posting about how unprepared the government are having a plan for it does not make something inevitable If you believe we are heading for martial law then I have some magic beans I can sell you that will protect you from it , just PM me in crayon Of course all governments have contingency plans for dealing with rioting and civil unrest. (In the case of France, it seems to involved aiming weapons at the faces of protesters, blinding some of them). Surely the point is not the existence of such plans, but the deliberate pursuit of policies which knowingly make it likely that serious civil unrest will happen in the first place? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 27, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: The Twitter bloke has written “introduction of martial law after a No deal Brexit” Imagine the reaction if leave had written such blatant scaremongering and deliberately mislead people Operation Temperer has been in existence for many years and also has a contingency for Brexit , a contingency that if they didn’t have you’d all be posting about how unprepared the government are having a plan for it does not make something inevitable If you believe we are heading for martial law then I have some magic beans I can sell you that will protect you from it , just PM me in crayon A different viewpoint. Is the problem the law exists, or that the government is given opportunity to use it? It's effectively the same argument as stockpiling - it's crazy it's even having to be thought of. All for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 28 minutes ago, Chindie said: A different viewpoint. Is the problem the law exists, or that the government is given opportunity to use it? It's effectively the same argument as stockpiling - it's crazy it's even having to be thought of. All for nothing. The fact the government has a chance to use those powers should be enough to cause civil unrest in itself , no government should have the right to put troops on the streets to do its bidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts