OutByEaster? Posted January 1, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 1, 2022 Today is the first proper day of the Brexit world isn't it? The day when the regulations and rules come into effect. You can tell by the massive fanfare in the (mostly Tory) media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said: Today is the first proper day of the Brexit world isn't it? The day when the regulations and rules come into effect. You can tell by the massive fanfare in the (mostly Tory) media. Exciting times ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Genie said: Exciting times ahead. Yep, in the same way a fairground house of horrors is exciting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/01/uk-shops-fear-gaps-shelves-brexit-import-rules-prices-shortages-delis UK shops fear gaps on shelves as new Brexit import rules hit Quote The government may be making light of new and burdensome Brexit rules and regulations affecting imports to the UK from the EU which came into force on January 1, but organisations representing small UK firms are not. The firms are worried about the impact on their businesses – and about the choices that will be available to their customers at their favourite specialist stores – on the high street. Quote “The classic example is your high street deli that is importing delicacies like, say, chorizo from Spain or parmesan from Italy,” says James Sibley, the federation’s head of international affairs. “For them, the thought of having to register for these systems is daunting and the process is expensive, so we’ve a lot of concern there. For those small businesses directly affected, we have picked up a lot of worry.” Quote From the beginning of last year UK exporters faced extra paperwork, and added costs, and their customers were stung by resulting higher prices – despite the claims by Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and other Brexiteers that leaving the EU would reduce regulation and lead to lower prices. Now, Sibley says, the effects could be similar for small UK importers to those that faced UK exporters in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, sidcow said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/01/uk-shops-fear-gaps-shelves-brexit-import-rules-prices-shortages-delis UK shops fear gaps on shelves as new Brexit import rules hit Won’t somebody come up with a kind of “Union” where the European nations can all buy and sell to each other freely? It sounds perfect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 36 minutes ago, sidcow said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/01/uk-shops-fear-gaps-shelves-brexit-import-rules-prices-shortages-delis UK shops fear gaps on shelves as new Brexit import rules hit Nonsense, just buy good old English Hard Cheese and English Smoked Hard Sausage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, a m ole said: Nonsense, just buy good old English Hard Cheese and English Smoked Hard Sausage. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2022 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-boris-johnson-lies-b1980372.html One year on from Brexit, poll finds voters believe it has harmed UK’s interests As PM promises to ‘maximise benefits of Brexit’, majority of voters say Boris Johnson lied about EU withdrawal Quote One year to the day since the UK left the European Union’s economic structures, the people of Britain believe Brexit has done the country more harm than good, according to a new poll. The exclusive Savanta survey for The Independent reveals that, on issues ranging from the economy to red tape to Britain’s ability to control its borders, more voters believe Brexit has worsened the UK’s position than improved it. Quote Almost six out of 10 (57 per cent) believe Boris Johnson lied to them about what Brexit would be like during the bitter referendum campaign of 2016. Quote And by a clear margin, they said that the Remain campaign’s forecasts of damage to the economy and increased red tape from Brexit have proved more accurate than the Leave campaign’s promises, such as the claim on Mr Johnson’s bus that EU withdrawal would deliver £350m a week for the NHS. Quote And by a clear margin, they said that the Remain campaign’s forecasts of damage to the economy and increased red tape from Brexit have proved more accurate than the Leave campaign’s promises, such as the claim on Mr Johnson’s bus that EU withdrawal would deliver £350m a week for the NHS. Quote By a slim majority of 51 to 49 per cent respondents said that if they could vote again, they would opt to rejoin the EU – with younger voters hugely more enthusiastic than the old for renewed membership. Quote More than half of those questioned (51 per cent) want a referendum on rejoining at some point, with 39 per cent saying it should come in the next five years, compared to just 32 per cent who say the issue should never be reopened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I like the last line “the issue should never be reopened” I imagine a lot of those are the noisy brexiteers who would rather keep their head in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 New members of the EU are required to adopt the Euro upon joining. I suspect that might be a dealbreaker for a majority of the U.K. electorate. I could see a fudge occurring where the U.K. moves to join the single market, Norway/Switzerland style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 2, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, LondonLax said: I could see a fudge occurring where the U.K. moves to join the single market, Norway/Switzerland style It’s absolute inevitable that the UK will join the single market and likely that we will join the Customs Union too, in due course. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 2, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, LondonLax said: New members of the EU are required to adopt the Euro upon joining. I suspect that might be a dealbreaker for a majority of the U.K. electorate. I could see a fudge occurring where the U.K. moves to join the single market, Norway/Switzerland style. I can see that attitude changing too. Right now the banknotes feature a suspected nonce's mother, who appears to be helping him hide away, when she carks it, we'll have the nutty tampon as king, it won't be the same anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: New members of the EU are required to adopt the Euro upon joining. I suspect that might be a dealbreaker for a majority of the U.K. electorate. They're not required to adopt the Euro upon joining. See Poland and Bulgaria currently using the zloty and lev for example. The Treaty of Maastrict says that new accession countries need to adopt it when the necessary economic conditions have been met. So Sweden (to pick another example) say that as one of the criteria to join is membership of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, joining that is voluntary, so they deliberately avoid meeting the necessary economic conditions by not joining ERM II. Given you (I think?) live there, you might be able to correct anything I have wrong there though. So the requirement is little more than a vague intention to maybe do so at some point in the future. In principle. In the fullness of time. Edited January 2, 2022 by ml1dch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 I think they’ll simply make an exception for us when we rejoin. We’ll basically be able to dictate our own terms because they need us more than we need them. We’ll likely end up with a modest income for joining, rather than have to pay in. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I think they’ll simply make an exception for us when we rejoin. We’ll basically be able to dictate our own terms because they need us more than we need them. We’ll likely end up with a modest income for joining, rather than have to pay in. We all know Europeans are campaigning for us to rejoin but the British media won’t tell us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: New members of the EU are required to adopt the Euro upon joining. I suspect that might be a dealbreaker for a majority of the U.K. electorate. I don't see this as an issue. Just send a big yellow bus around the country saying they're so desperate for us to join they'll 100% let us keep the pound. When they don't just keep schtum about it and pretend like it was never promised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 40 minutes ago, ml1dch said: They're not required to adopt the Euro upon joining. See Poland and Bulgaria currently using the zloty and lev for example. The Treaty of Maastrict says that new accession countries need to adopt it when the necessary economic conditions have been met. So Sweden (to pick another example) say that as one of the criteria to join is membership of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, joining that is voluntary, so they deliberately avoid meeting the necessary economic conditions by not joining ERM II. Given you (I think?) live there, you might be able to correct anything I have wrong there though. So the requirement is little more than a vague intention to maybe do so at some point in the future. In principle. In the fullness of time. Well I’d need to caviat by saying I’m not an expert on EU law My understanding was the currency change was more optional previously but the EU had since hardened its stance? I know Sweden had a referendum when they joined and voted against but the impression I got was that it wouldn’t be allowed to happen that way if they had joined today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Well I’d need to caviat by saying I’m not an expert on EU law My understanding was the currency change was more optional previously but the EU had since hardened its stance? I know Sweden had a referendum when they joined and voted against but the impression I got was that it wouldn’t be allowed to happen that way if they had joined today. As I said, new members have to commit in principle (as in, no more Denmark-style opt-out of that principle) but there is currently no mechanism to actually make them follow through on that hypothetical agreement. However, I'd fully imagine the subject to be heavily weaponised in any hypothetical future "apply to rejoin" campaign. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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limpid Posted January 2, 2022 Administrator Share Posted January 2, 2022 3 hours ago, LondonLax said: New members of the EU are required to adopt the Euro upon joining. I suspect that might be a dealbreaker for a majority of the U.K. electorate. I could see a fudge occurring where the U.K. moves to join the single market, Norway/Switzerland style. Technically, we wouldn't be new members. That leaves a lot of wriggle room for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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