Genie Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Just now, bickster said: There's a perfectly credible one, it's just that we've gone past the point of no return The EU aren’t going to blink. We need to take our medicine, pay to keep things as they are without a say in how they are. Then as soon as we can, rejoin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2020 Just now, Genie said: The EU aren’t going to blink. We need to take our medicine, pay to keep things as they are without a say in how they are. Then as soon as we can, rejoin. You won't find me disagreeing. My actual concern is that it ends in civil war to be perfectly honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Genie said: How many years and still no credible solution to the Irish border challenge. The solution they had from 1998 until 2016 seemed to do a pretty decent job. Edited September 9, 2020 by ml1dch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, ml1dch said: The solution they had from 1998 until 2016 seemed to do a pretty decent job. Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, bickster said: My actual concern is that it ends in civil war to be perfectly honest Sleepwalk over the cliff or do what Putin wants us to do and seriously kick off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2020 Just now, Xann said: Sleepwalk over the cliff or do what Putin wants us to do and seriously kick off? Well yes, quite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Well yes, quite A massive demonstration would be nice. People prefer typing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Even if it's true, how about don't **** sign something so monumentally important if you haven't had time to scrutinise it properly?! A reminder that Steve Baker wrote that he (and he implied many others) voted for the bill without reading it because Michael Gove told them it didn't matter because it could be amended later. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, bickster said: You won't find me disagreeing. My actual concern is that it ends in civil war to be perfectly honest No chance of war, possibly some small protests. For war people have to know what they want and people who voted brexit at minimum can’t agree on what they say they wanted and maximum don’t know what they really want from other than the obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Nicho said: No chance of war, possibly some small protests. For war people have to know what they want and people who voted brexit at minimum can’t agree on what they say they wanted and maximum don’t know what they really want from other than the obvious The people who voted Remain don't know what they want either, come to that. It would surprise me if there were any noticeable protest about any of this, at least not until the effects of a supply shock (possibly, if it happens) become clear in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 35 minutes ago, Nicho said: No chance of war, possibly some small protests. For war people have to know what they want and people who voted brexit at minimum can’t agree on what they say they wanted and maximum don’t know what they really want from other than the obvious I don't speak for bickster, but Northern Ireland suffered a civil war for 30 years. It's not sensationalist to fear that will return. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Nicho said: No chance of war, possibly some small protests. For war people have to know what they want and people who voted brexit at minimum can’t agree on what they say they wanted and maximum don’t know what they really want from other than the obvious 6 hours ago, Enda said: I don't speak for bickster, but Northern Ireland suffered a civil war for 30 years. It's not sensationalist to fear that will return. This plus the rioting and looting that may well occur when food is in short supply... it's won't be about what people voted for, it'll very rapidly become about what people need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2020 6 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: The people who voted Remain don't know what they want either, come to that. It would surprise me if there were any noticeable protest about any of this, at least not until the effects of a supply shock (possibly, if it happens) become clear in January. Remainers might not know what they want, but I think they had far more chance of knowing what they voted for because it was just carrying on as we were. Even if you know nothing about the EU you can at least know you're voting for things to stay the way they are. But in general I subscribe to the point of view that the public, me very much included, should not have been voting on something so important. We have nowhere near enough knowledge about it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 What would help enormously would be a climb down by the PM. An admission that Brexit wasn’t a good idea A realisation that membership of the EU is a club that has far more benefits that drawbacks. An apology for getting it wrong. It won’t happen, but it would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Enda said: I don't speak for bickster, but Northern Ireland suffered a civil war for 30 years. It's not sensationalist to fear that will return. Ah sorry didn’t read any context from other posts. Stupidly Didn’t realise it was Northern Ireland related. Violence is definately a possibility. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Genie said: What would help enormously would be a climb down by the PM. An admission that Brexit wasn’t a good idea A realisation that membership of the EU is a club that has far more benefits that drawbacks. An apology for getting it wrong. It won’t happen, but it would help. That would require the PM to be remotely honest about something. Good luck with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: That would require the PM to be remotely honest about something. Good luck with that I’m clinging to the fact he loves a U-turn... but even this is beyond him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StefanAVFC Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 This is nightmare stuff, really. Rogue state comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) ^Further to that: Edited September 10, 2020 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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