snowychap Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 hours ago, ml1dch said: World-beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LondonLax Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 I have been saying for a while that this is how it would play out. The U.K. will not put a border inside it’s own country regardless of what the withdrawal agreement says. It’s going to be a problem for the EU to have to resolve. Quote Boris Johnson is drawing up legislation that will override the Brexit withdrawal agreement on Northern Ireland, a move that threatens the collapse of crunch talks which the prime minister has said must be completed within five weeks https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/06/five-weeks-clinch-brexit-deal-uk-move-boris-johnson-to-say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, LondonLax said: I have been saying for a while that this is how it would play out. Edited September 7, 2020 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 7, 2020 It's almost like No Deal is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 It seems like far too obvious a question... but if the deals were “easiest in history” and “oven ready” .... why haven’t they been implemented? Someone should be sacked or worse for the catalogue of lies around vote leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 7, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Genie said: It seems like far too obvious a question... but if the deals were “easiest in history” and “oven ready” .... why haven’t they been implemented? Someone should be sacked or worse for the catalogue of lies around vote leave. I think the word you’re looking for is prosecuted, unfortunately our laws in this area aren’t robust enough and our relevant bodies aren’t tough enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Genie said: It seems like far too obvious a question... but if the deals were “easiest in history” and “oven ready” .... why haven’t they been implemented? The withdrawal agreement was implemented. It is current UK law. The noise today is about changing the law because they've decided they don't like the thing they agreed last time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Genie said: why haven’t they been implemented? The Withdrawal Agreement is in place - we're in the transtition period. From Jan 1st, parts of the agreement are due to be in place (NI protocol) and there are supposed to be discussions now about how this takes place. This talk is about reneging on the agreement that is already in place, the agreement on which the Tory party won the election and for which all of the current Tory MPs voted when Parliament passed the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020. Edited September 7, 2020 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 It's never a good sign when the "Oven ready" wont let you see whats inside until you cook it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, ml1dch said: The withdrawal agreement was implemented. It is current UK law. The noise today is about changing the law because they've decided they don't like the thing they agreed last time. 8 minutes ago, snowychap said: The Withdrawal Agreement is in place - we're in the transtition period. From Jan 1st, parts of the agreement are due to be in place (NI protocol) and there are supposed to be discussions now about how this takes place. This talk is about reneging on the agreement that is already in place, the agreement on which the Tory party won the election and for which all of the current Tory MPs voted when Parliament passed the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020. I interpreted these claims about deals oven ready, easy deals to be the long term trade agreements and relationship with the EU. The ones that we’ve spent the best part of 4 years failing to get very far with, and the ones were having round 8 of discussions about this week. A lot of people voted leave because of promises no deal was extremely unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Genie said: I interpreted these claims about deals oven ready, easy deals to be the long term trade agreements and relationship with the EU. Yeah, you probably shouldn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 I think a lot of people heard an awful lot of wish lists and lies and projected their own interpretation on to it. Fair play, one of the biggest cons in history. Buckle up fellas, it’s going to be a bumpy ride. Hopefully you’ve all taken the obvious precaution of being disaster capitalists with offshore accounts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Yeah, you probably shouldn't have. Why not? Quote Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be "one of the easiest in human history" - International Trade Secretary Liam Fox Do we have one? nope. Are we close? nope. Are we talking about walking away from the negotiation table without a free trade agreement? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, ml1dch said: The withdrawal agreement was implemented. It is current UK law. The noise today is about changing the law because they've decided they don't like the thing they agreed last time. I think they are more cynical than that. The government signed off on whatever it needed to to actually move to the next stage. It had no intention of actually implementing it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 7, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 7, 2020 Did I hear Demonic Raaaaaaaaab saying one of the two major sticking points was state bailouts of businesses? These are the Tories? Who’ve never been in favour of such action anyway. Why would free marketeers want to prop up failing businesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, LondonLax said: It had no intention of actually implementing it though. So they agree to something and then threaten to remove it if the UK don't get what they want ? Is that what the Ireland thing is. Bit underhand in negotiating terms ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 It will make every country in the world think twice about negotiating any future deals with us. We will be international pariahs, not to be trusted. How far we have fallen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, Genie said: I interpreted these claims about deals oven ready, easy deals to be the long term trade agreements and relationship with the EU. The oven ready nonsense was about the withdrawal agreement; the 'easy deals' stuff was about both the withdrawal agrement and the long term trade arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Did I hear Demonic Raaaaaaaaab saying one of the two major sticking points was state bailouts of businesses? I can’t remember where I read it but it was saying one of the main sticking points was allowing the EU access to fish British waters. It went on to say it made almost no difference to our economy but was one of the main arguments to leave in the first place. So, yep, let’s nuke the economy, go back on several other agreements to protect something that barely makes any difference to the people of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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