MaVilla Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Tom13 said: I'd love them to tell us what he's actually not good at. Getting into goalscoring positions, yeah fine. His all round game is very strong. He's a physical monster with technical ability and good feet. Davis has a lot of strengths, he is strong, fairly quick, has fairly good feet, decent at hold up play etc. However, lets not fool ourselves, he is a 24 year old, hugely injury prone striker, who doesnt score that much, playing in the championship for a good reason.... If you think Davis is the answer to any of our problems, i'm not sure what to say to you. Edited January 28, 2023 by MaVilla 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, MaVilla said: Davis has a lot of strengths, he is strong, fairly quick, has fairly good feet, decent at hold up play etc. However, lets not fool ourselves, he is a 24 year old, hugely injury prone striker, who doesnt score that much, playing in the championship for a good reason.... If you think Davis is the answer to any of our problems, i'm not sure what to say to you. Don't need to hear anything from you so that's all good. Happy to have my own opinion. And I'm not saying he's a world beater anyway, but people talk as if he's terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Just now, Tom13 said: I'd love them to tell us what he's actually not good at. Getting into goalscoring positions, yeah fine. His all round game is very strong. He's a monster with technical ability and good feet. Scoring, scoring positioning, made of paper, he allows better defenders to control his game, that he gets the ball in ineffective areas. His hold up play is great at the half way line because defenders let him but around the box they pushed him out or made him ineffective. His feet are good but his football IQ is poor so he doesn’t take advantage of it. He’s a monster but he doesn’t use it enough. You can see he’s effective against lower level defenders like the Championship but he doesn’t have the next level ability. I said all this many times and I know you don’t agree but manager after manager at Villa seem to agree because they haven’t used him and nobody has brought him. He’s 25 in 2 weeks time and his career says it all. Villa managers don’t use him, no PL team has been interested in him, he’s injured so often. I don’t get why some fans have this obsession for him. He’s a nice bloke, has some talent, he should find a nice club and build a career there and hopefully that is Watford, I wish him well. The ghost of Davis being a regular player for us went a very long time ago. You won’t agree with my assessment but it seems our managers have done in the past by their lack of use of him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: Don't need to hear anything from you so that's all good. Happy to have my own opinion. And I'm not saying he's a world beater anyway, but people talk as if he's terrible. no need to be mardy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, MaVilla said: no need to be mardy. Touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 He’s a decent championship player and could probably do a job for a newly promoted team if he can stay fit. 15m for him though would probably be the best bit of business the club has ever done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) off at half time, i assume injured? what a shocker..... edit: doesnt look like it, one of 3 players pulled at half time it seems. Edited January 28, 2023 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom13 said: Don't need to hear anything from you so that's all good. Happy to have my own opinion. And I'm not saying he's a world beater anyway, but people talk as if he's terrible. According to his Wiki stats, he has scored 12 goals in 106 matches. That's 1 in 9. Many of these will be subs appearances of course, but that tells its own story. Most of his appearances and almost "all" his goals were in the 2nd tier. He is a striker that doesn't score. I said years ago that he could do a good job in League 1 and I stand by that. He has the physicality for that level. If he can stay fit. Big if there tho. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, GlobalVillan said: According to his Wiki stats, he has scored 12 goals in 106 matches. That's 1 in 9. Many of these will be subs appearances of course, but that tells its own story. Most of his appearances and almost "all" his goals were in the 2nd tier. He is a striker that doesn't score. I said years ago that he could do a good job in League 1 and I stand by that. He has the physicality for that level. If he can stay fit. Big if there tho. Played a huge part in a Championship side's promotion, yet can only 'do a job in League 1'? Come on... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Tom13 said: Don't need to hear anything from you so that's all good. Happy to have my own opinion. And I'm not saying he's a world beater anyway, but people talk as if he's terrible. No he is not terrible at all - but reality is that his ceiling is the championship - but crikey that’s still a hell of a ceiling and that’s ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Played a huge part in a Championship side's promotion, yet can only 'do a job in League 1'? Come on... I said he would do a good job in League 1. As in score some goals. 1 in 12 is a terrible return for a striker in any league but in the Championship its shocking. I reckon he would get double figures in League 1. Just my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 30 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: I said he would do a good job in League 1. As in score some goals. 1 in 12 is a terrible return for a striker in any league but in the Championship its shocking. I reckon he would get double figures in League 1. Just my opinion. Tbf I'm sure he had a better goals per minute record than Archer last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 If emery recalls him to play in the first team, I'll believe he can do a job for where we want to be. If he doesn't, I won't I think the Duran signing means he won't too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 33 minutes ago, Adman said: If emery recalls him to play in the first team, I'll believe he can do a job for where we want to be. If he doesn't, I won't I think the Duran signing means he won't too Selling Ings and recalling Davis would arguably be the worst decision of any Villa manager in recent memory. As such, there's not a cat in hells chance it will happen. A proven Premier League goalscorer for a man who can't hit a barn door in the Championship. He will be off in the summer for a couple of million. If we want to compete for a top half place, we need quality players in every position. Thankfully, Emery amd the board know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: Selling Ings and recalling Davis would arguably be the worst decision of any Villa manager in recent memory. As such, there's not a cat in hells chance it will happen. A proven Premier League goalscorer for a man who can't hit a barn door in the Championship. He will be off in the summer for a couple of million. If we want to compete for a top half place, we need quality players in every position. Thankfully, Emery amd the board know that. Be worst selling Ings and not having any striker at all to replace him and ATM that's were we are, unless you can count Duran as a better option than Davies, and as it stands I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, tinker said: unless you can count Duran as a better option than Davies, and as it stands I don't. Well Emery clearly does. I wouldn't play Davis if we got relegated never mind in the PL. It's a moot point in any case as he isn't coming back. We do need another striker tho, an actual goalscoring one, and I've said that for weeks. Still time of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: Well Emery clearly does. Was Duran even Emery's signing or was he one from Lange system? Hasn't Emery stated that Duran isn't ready, he stats are worse than Davies's and he's from a league that Davies would be a star in . Duran is one for the future I'm sure but if Watkins gets injured then he would have to play and thats no fair on him or us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, tinker said: Was Duran even Emery's signing or was he one from Lange system? Hasn't Emery stated that Duran isn't ready, he stats are worse than Davies's and he's from a league that Davies would be a star in . Duran is one for the future I'm sure but if Watkins gets injured then he would have to play and thats no fair on him or us. That's why we need to sign a striker. It's still baffling that we let Ings go but if we don't sign a replacement this window it will be totally unfathomable that we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Came into an abysmal team last season going nowhere. Was one of their best players for 6 months, of which they wouldn't have got promoted. Went to a team with 100m in parachute payments as the guy they see to help them do the same. So much so they back paying 15m for him. " could do a job in league one." Do people even watch league one football? The standard is horrific and the drop off between Champo and league 1 is hugely steeper than PL to Champo. League one.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, GlobalVillan said: Well Emery clearly does. Does he? Does Emery think Duran is a better option than Ings as well then seen as he was happy to let him go? Or does he take into account other factors, such as starting week in, week out for Watford is better for Davis' confidence, career and market value than warming the bench for us while we're in mid table? Edited January 29, 2023 by Tom13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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