danceoftheshamen Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I agree that there is a bit of a witch hunt mentality reading back through all this. You can understand it as effectively our dreams have been destroyed and it's now clear that success is now a pipedream at this club. By that i mean success in Europe or the Premier League. Success for this club will now be winning the Championship & promotion from lower divisions or if we're lucky a few years down the line finishing in the top 10 of the Premier League..Woop woop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted January 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2016 Yes, the transcript makes it clear that they were both quite a lot more candid than you would think from reading on here. Some of the reaction - last night especially - seems to have the flavour of a full-force tantrum. Also, some of the questions asked in that meeting were fairly imbecilic - 'taking my child to the game is like child abuse'? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieVillan Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 To be fair - Fox in particular makes some decent points in the transcript, and certainly doesn't shirk responsibility. I also don't think he's pushed the blame onto Sherwood as much he could have. Obviously without being at the meeting, you can't judge the mood, tone, body language etc. but looking at the text in black and white I find it hard to give him abuse. Hollis on the other hand seems a little bit out of his depth right now, certainly from the point of view of what he is saying to fans and media. Sadly because of our position, the fans patience is minimal, and if we were at the top of the league and he referred to a supporter as a "customer", it probably wouldn't be jumped on so quickly. He's is going to have to get up to speed very quickly and gets the fans on his side. Pleasing anyway that the summer contracts all had relegation clauses - some prudent planning for once, and that it is hoped that the manager and the squad will stay together if we go down. If the manager leaves and the squad is broken up, then I'm sure that will be thrown in Fox's face later down the line! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The difficult balancing act is going to be around the manager. They've put their cards on the table, saying that keeping him is one of their main priorities, but he's surely not going to go more than one transfer window with minimal-to-no investment in the playing squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: From what was said at the AGM Fair enough but that is the first time, so he had done that on the same day I was asking the question. He hasn't to my knowledge done that before. In regards your previous post in reply to mine, I appreciate the time that would have taken. Sadly I can't reply in kind as I'm on my phone but safe to say Indisagree on quite a bit but so be it. What I would just add though is my over riding point is that so far Lerner has got virtually everything wrong including the appointment of Fox or the remit image was given at least based on the quote you've provided. I fail to see how Hollis is going to break that pattern. Is he going to start appointing the managers? Is he somehow going to put the scouting structure in place? I can see how he can possible do either of those things. So I'm struggling to see how he is going to change the fortunes of the club. The things he has said are for me absolutely and utterly fundamentally wrong. OBE hits a lot of the points firmly on the head in his post. Perhaps you are right perhaps Hollis can't win but for me the comments he has made so far are indicative of a man who doesn't understand football, the recent history of the club or the real issues we face and their causes. Neither does he seem to understand the harm his words are doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 It seemed though that it wasn't an unwillingness to spend but rather no player will come here and basically be almost guaranteed a 50% paycut for at least the next season.. Why not just go to a club with at least a decent chance of staying up...which is what they have done/are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The main question I got from reading the transcript is what precisely did Paul Faulkner even do for 4 years? Asleep at the wheel would be my guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, Wes said: The main question I got from reading the transcript is what precisely did Paul Faulkner even do for 4 years? Asleep at the wheel would be my guess. Think he was pretty much just doing Randy's admin. Really don't think he had the same authority that Fox has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 "We didn't integrate them well" That's what sticks out to me. No wonder we have struggled so much this season. Only since Garde came in have we looked like a 'team'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Gotta spend money to make money. All the top clubs have huge incomes because they are successful in the long term. They have a global brand and fans worldwide. They got there by spending money year on year. Chelsea and city being clear examples of that There is absolutely zero reason why we couldn't have kept up with the top teams if Randolph had spent for a for years while we were on top. taking money away is not the answer, any fool can see that. Cutting expenditure is fine, I agree with cutting costs if we're wasting money. But you CANNOT under any circumstances cut the annual investments needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Under Ellis I recall he complaint being he ran us like a corner shop , Randy was supposed to change this but clearly he didn't and we now have to rebuild from position of weakness. Randy putting his own cash in has been a weakness, as its been the easy option to take when if we where run correctly we would have generated enough revenue to fund purchasing , that his money was wasted on crap like N'zogbia has just made the situation worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2016 Meh - Everything that was said was everything I expected them to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2016 Not really sure what Fox has said that has gotten everyone's knockers in a twist. Seems very forthright, open and honest, accepting responsibility. Fair play to him. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Not really sure what Fox has said that has gotten everyone's knockers in a twist. Seems very forthright, open and honest, accepting responsibility. Fair play to him. One thing I will give credit to fox for was at least taking responsbility for the failings of hiring certain managers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Just read the transcript. i can see what they're planning to do. Theyre keeping the squad together as much as they can, keeping Garde in, scouting the lower leagues. im not really sure what else they can do in preparation for the championship. It sounds like that's what they're preparing for. I can take that, as long as they don't balls it up and we fall into the abyss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 22 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: "We didn't integrate them well" That's what sticks out to me. No wonder we have struggled so much this season. Only since Garde came in have we looked like a 'team'. Staggering that a premier league football club doesn't have the know how to integrate foreign players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: I may be in a minority here but reading those minutes back made me feel I quite like both Fox and Hollis ... Yes we've heard a lot of it before , I said as much when Fox appointed Sherwood that I was very concerned with the appointment ..but Sherwood did keep us up when we looked doomed so even revisionism of Sherwood's time at Villa to make Fox look incompetent is a tad harsh .. We are going down that's a given and has been for some time , arguably we'd have had more points on the board now had we kept Sherwood BUT we'd have been a fractured club and facing the same battles next season and the season after etc ... now it looks like we will come back up stronger and with a structure in place to ensure we aren't relying on 3 worse teams than us to keep us in the division they could be full of shit of course , but I'm happy to give them both a chance I'm also not offended at being called a customer it's clear what Hollis was saying and the bloke who objected comes across as a bit of an arse in the way it's reported above , I find it astonishing in this day and age that they, Fox in particular, took so much of the brunt (shambles as he called it) on board. They talk about how badly the club has been run for the last 10 years, their plans to correct that on and off the pitch. Fair play to them both, it must have been a very difficult environment. Rightly so, but I feel more "connected" now at least. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, KHV said: Staggering that a premier league football club doesn't have the know how to integrate foreign players Or local ones, or ones that are already at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 34 minutes ago, Nabby said: Under Ellis I recall he complaint being he ran us like a corner shop , Randy was supposed to change this but clearly he didn't and we now have to rebuild from position of weakness. Randy putting his own cash in has been a weakness, as its been the easy option to take when if we where run correctly we would have generated enough revenue to fund purchasing , that his money was wasted on crap like N'zogbia has just made the situation worse. I think the problem is we kept being run like a corner shop but threw money at trying to be a lot bigger. It's damning that our revenue hardly beat inflation at a time of record tv money!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, KHV said: Staggering that a premier league football club doesn't have the know how to integrate foreign players I don't think it was off the field that was the problem it was having a manager in Sherwood who couldn't understand some need time to settle and chose to bomb them or slag them off!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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